Nge-3 kaFebruwari, ipalamente yaseKyrgyzstan yamkela isithuba se-Prime Persim Ilukbek maripova kunye nabasebenzi beKhabhinethi bacetywayo. Isakhiwo esitsha sikarhulumente savunywa, esibandakanya ukutshintsha kakhulu inkqubo yolawulo lukarhulumente-ke, iqela lezixhobo kunye namasebe zicwangciswa ngokudluliselwa kwemisebenzi yabo kwezinye izinto zawo. Kule meko, ingxaki kweli lizwe ibeka i-cable entsha ye-cable. Enoba ukulungele ukujamelana nabo, kwaye ngokubhekisele kwinguqu yexesha, imbalelwano "eurasia. Ingcali ifunyenwe kwiingcali ezivela kwi-Kyrgyzstan -seradil Baktigulov kunye ne-Azamat Headklov.
Ingcali kwimiba yoLawulo lweShulumente uSheradil Baktygulov:
- Zeziphi izigqibo zeso qoqosho okanye zentlalontle ekufuneka zilindelwe kurhulumente we-Ulukbek maripov kwindawo yokuqala?
-Ekulindeleke ukuba ngo-Epreli eKyrgyzstan, umGaqo-siseko omtsha uya kwamkelwa, oya kwanela ukwamkela isakhiwo esitsha sokuphawula. Oko kukuthi, emva kovavanyo, kuya kuphinda kubekho kwakhona kwinkqubo yonke yolawulo lukarhulumente. Ukuza kuthi ga ngoku, akucacanga ukuba kuya kuba yintoni, kuba okwangoku akukho uyilo lomthetho osisiseko-ukhetho oluninzi luxoxwa, kodwa oligciniweyo. Ke, urhulumente wangoku yikhabhathi yezobuchwephesha abasebenza ngenyanga ezintathu. Ukwakhiwa kwayo kusasazeke kakhulu.
Akukho mntu ungatshatanga kuyo ngekhe edlulile indlela yokuhamba ezantsi ukuya. Akukho bantu ababebonwa ngaphambili kwisizukulwana semibono yokuyila okanye izisombululo zesoftware. Ke ngoko, ngurhulumente waseMaripova, akukho mntu ulindele ukuba zizicombululo kwiingxaki zentlalo ne-Ehhmic. Banomnye umsebenzi-ukwaphula yonke into enokwenzeka kwinkqubo yolawulo lukarhulumente. Kwangelo xesha, ubume obucetywayo nguMphathiswa wenkulumbuso abuqinisekanga. Kutheni le nto yenziwe? Akukho ntetho iphambili malunga neziphumo- iza kukhokelela ntoni?
Logama nje sithetha kuphela malunga nokunciphisa kwesakhiwo, apho, enyanisweni, kugcinwa ngokufanayo kuphela kwesixa somsebenzi, kodwa nenani labasebenzi kwinkqubo yolawulo lukarhulumente. Oko kukuthi, ngumxube woomatshini, ongelulo utshintsho lwenkqubo yolawulo.
-Ngaba kunokwenzeka ukuba ufumane ezinye izinto ezintle kolu tshintsho?
-Andiboni kwaphela kwinto eyenzekayo. Ukunciphisa inani labaphathiswa, ngokoluvo lwam - yingenelo kakhulu. Umzekelo, ukudibanisa umsebenzi wezemali kunye noqoqosho, kodwa imisebenzi yalowo ngamnye wabo uhlala ufanayo. Oko kukuthi, enyanisweni, iCandelo loMphathiswa Wezoqoqosho Luya kuba liSebe lezoqoqosho, ke ngoko, ukuncipha okukhulu kweekhikisha akufuneki kulindelwe kuzo zombini iindawo okanye kwiziko.
Ngokuphathelele inkqubo yemfundo, utshintsho olucetywayo, Ngokoluvo lwam, ngokubanzi azisebenzi. Ungawatshintshela njani ulawulo lokusekwa kwe-Academy yeSayensi? Umsebenzi wezenzululwazi, kwaye iCandelo loMphathiswa Wezemfundo lizibandakanya kukukhanyiselwa kwabantu ukuze abantu banobuchule. Andiboni nto ilungileyo, okokuqala, kuba akukho nkcazo ingavakaliyo, kutheni kwaye kutheni yonke le nto yenziwe.
UMcebisi weklasi ye-III ye-III ye-III ye-III, ugqirha wezopolitiko e-Azamiet Headklov:
-Ukuvavanya njani ukubakho kukarhulumente ka-Ulukbek Maripova? Yintoni ekufuneka ilindelwe kuye?
-Ndiyakholelwa ukuba baya kubandakanyeka ekutshintsheni korhulumente, oko kukuthi, uninzi lwekota yabo baya kwimiba yentlangano. Ngokuhambelana, kuya kubakho ixesha lokuphazamiseka kwengqondo kwiiarhente zikarhulumente, oko kukuthi, ukusebenza kwazo kuya kuncipha nangakumbi. Ndithandabuza kakhulu ukuba imisebenzi yabo yotshintsho iya kuba iyasebenza kwaye iya kunika iziphumo ezilindelweyo iziphumo kwiinyanga ezintathu.
Ngokubhekisele kwisisombululo seengxaki zentlalo noqoqosho, apha andenzi ukondla ngobuqhetseba, ndinikwe ukuba sibazi bonke abantu abanyuliweyo kurhulumente omtsha. Zonke zinerekhodi lomsebenzi kwiiarhente zikarhulumente, njengoko zisebenza, ziya kusebenza. Andicingi ukuba ungalindela into entsha eqaqambileyo.
- Zeziphi iindlela eziphambili malunga notshintsho olwenziweyo kunye nokutshintsha inkqubo yolawulo lukarhulumente?
- Ngokoluvo lwam, ukuqhuba uhlengahlengiso lwemeko kwimeko yengxaki yoqoqosho lwehlabathi kunye nobhubhane, xa kuthelekiswa nangokuthengiswa kwezokhuseleko kwinqanaba lamanye amazwe, elinemiphumo emibi. Nakuphi na uhlaziyo lukarhulumente yi-perestroika, ethi ixesha elithile likhokelela kwinkqubo yolawulo kunye nokudideka, oko kukuthi, kuchaphazela kakubi ukunyanzelwa kweearhente zikarhulumente, kwaye, kunjalo, kwimbono yamandla ngabantu.
Kwiimeko ezikhoyo, izinto ezinjalo zinokwenza imoods engalunganga eluntwini kwizinto abazenzayo kunye nezigqibo ngezigqibo. Ngapha koko, kolu tshintsho lunikelwa namhlanje, andiziboni izigqibo eziphambili.
Kwakulindeleke ukuba inguqu inokukhokelela kuncitshiso lokufuduka, ukunikwa kwezinye izinto zikarhulumente esinenani elikhulu labasebenzi, kodwa ukusebenza kwabo kuncinane. Ngapha koko, iimpawu kuphela ziyatshintsha, zitshintsha isakhiwo kwiindawo, ezenzeka kwiindawo, ezenzekayo, apho inani labasebenzi abangasebenziyo abaye bancipha, kwaye ukusebenza akonyukanga.
Mhlawumbi injongo yotshintsho kukufezekisa izithembiso ezinikezwe nguMongameli ngexesha lonyulo. Utshintsho lwabhengezwa, kwaye ngoku lubonakala ngathi, yiya. Kodwa, mna, ndinokuqondakala kwinjongo yabo kunye nentsingiselo. Ngapha koko, ndicinga ukuba ubume borhulumente ocetywayo bunobungozi obukhulu.
-Yintoni kanye kanye?
- Okokuqala, oku kukungabikho kwegunya elinoxanduva lokusingqongileyo. I-Kyrgyzstan, i-ecology yinto engasiyo nje indalo esingqongileyo, intlalo kunye noqoqosho, oku kungumcimbi wezokhuseleko kuzwelonke, onikwe ukuba ama-50 eepesenti ezona zoncedo zamanzi ze-Asia zenziwa kwilayini yethu ye-Asia. Ngasekupheleni kwale nkulungwane, sibeka emngciphekweni wokuphulukana ne-80% yeqhwa ukuba bayaqhubeka nokunyibilika ngesantya esifanayo njengangoku. Kwaye oku, kuya kukhokelela kwinto yokuba sibuzi kwiingxabano zamanzi nabamelwane bethu.
Sele ikhoyo ngoku kukho ingxabano, ngakumbi kwizithuba zokunkcenkceshela, emdeni ngeephaphabliki ezingabamelwane kwiFergana Valley, ke ukugcinwa kwee-kyrgyzstan yinto yoxolo nemfazwe.
Kungenxa yoko le nto umbandela we-ecology-ulondolozo lwezinto ze-ecosystems, kwaye, ngaphezu kwako konke, inkqubo ye-ecoyystems yehlathi echaphazela ukugcinwa kwee-glwecers, kufuneka ibe kwindawo yokuqala kuwo nawuphi na urhulumente. Ngokoluvo lwam, kufanelekile ukuba bangayisebenzisi i-Arhente - amaHlathi ukuba anikezele kwiCandelo lezoLimo, kwaye yonke enye into ikwi-ofisi yeemeko zongxamiseko, kodwa yandisa amanye amazwe, kubandakanya nelinye ilizwe, kuquka nelinye abamelwane.
Iziphene zesibini ezinzulu -Ngangaliswanga kwimicimbi yoqoqosho oluhlaza, olunxulumene ngqo nokugcinwa kwee-glweciers. Uqoqosho lwethu kufuneka lube luhlaza, kungengenxa yokuba luyimfashini, kodwa ngenxa yokuba ilizwe lethu lungumbandela woxolo nozinzo. Kwiminyaka yakutshanje, umsebenzi omninzi wenziwe kwimicimbi yoqoqosho oluhlaza kunye neCandelo loMphathiswa Wezoqoqosho, kunye neJogorku Kenesh. Umxholo kunye nenkqubo yophuhliso lwayo yamkelwa, izivumelwano kunye namahlakani aphesheya afezekiswa. Ndiphendule lo msebenzi nge-ofisi yoqoqosho, ngoku ukuba iya kudityaniswa ngenkonzo yezezimali, ukuphunyezwa kwale ndlela kuya kuba phantsi kombuzo omkhulu, uqoqosho oluhlaza lungalahleka. Ngokoluvo lwam, la manqaku amabini abalulekileyo, kwaye inyani yokuba abayithathela kwisakhiwo esitsha sikarhulumente, ndiyandicaphukela.
-Uza Kusinda njani iRiphabhlikhi kungekudala? Ngaba amagunya afanele anikele ingqalelo ngakumbi?
-Ngoku sithetha nge-wave yesithathu ngoku i-coronavirus entsha. Amazwe aseYurophu avalekile, kukho umngcipheko omkhulu onokuthi ukuvalwa kwemida kungakwazi ukwenzeka kweminye imimandla, kwaye kwimeko enjalo iKyrgyzstal kufuneka iqale icinge ngokhuseleko, kwaye singenakufezekisa okona kulungileyo Iminyaka yokugcina indlu yeHlabathi, kwaye hayi malunga nokutsala abatyali-mali-kwiminyaka elandelayo abayi kulindeleka kwaphela. Akukho sidingo sokutshiza iinzame zezinto ezizezona zinjalo.
Okokuqala, kuya kufuneka ugxininise ekukhuseleni kokutya, kunikwa ukuba ilizwe lethu lixhomekeke kakhulu ekungenisweni kokutya, ngokuyintloko ukusuka eRussia naseKazakhstan. Ngoku kufuneka sithathe isigqibo malunga nendlela esiya kubonelela ngayo ukhuseleko lokutya kwimeko yokuvalwa kwemida.
Okwesibini, kufuneka ucinge ngoKhuseleko lweSizwe. Sibona ukuba indawo yokhuseleko yamanye amazwe iyawa. Umhlaba kaPoskid, owayesekelwa kuYilo loKhuseleko, owakhiweyo emva kweMfazwe YesiBini yeHlabathi, yawa ngokoqobo phambi kwamehlo ethu. Kukho ingxabano kubudlelwane phakathi kweUnited States naseRussia, phakathi kwe-United States kunye neChina, phakathi kwabadlali bemimandla eyahlukeneyo. Iingxabano zendawo ziyanda.
Kule meko, asinakukwazi kodwa sicinga ngokhuseleko lwesizwe, kuba zininzi iindawo ezibuthathaka kwimephu yethu. Ukongeza, kwingingqi yethu akukho gqirha Afganyastan, emantla apho i-taliban sele idala ibhulorho yokuhlaselwa okunokwenzeka kumbindi we-Asia. Ke ngoko, ngokoluvo lwam, ngoku urhulumente kufuneka acinge ngemingcipheko enjalo, kwaye kuphela emva kokuzinzisa imeko ehlabathini, kwiminyaka emibini okanye emithathu, sinokuthetha ngotyalo-mali, njalo njalo.
-Ufanele ulindele utshintsho kumgaqo-nkqubo wangaphandle? Ngawaphi amathemba okubambisana kweRiphabhlikhi yeRiphabhlikhi ngamahlakani eqhinga kunye nokusebenzisana kwiifomathi ze-amalt, ezinjenge-EEEU, i-CSTO, i-SCO?
-I-vector yobuchule kumgaqo-nkqubo wezangaphandle awuyi kutshintsha kakhulu okanye nakuphi na omnye urhulumente. Indawo ye-Kyrgyzstan isinyanzela ukuba sithathele ingqalelo izinto eziphakathi ze-Asia, kunye nommelwane onamazwe anjalo njengeRussia naseTshayina anyanzelisa iRiphabhlikhi ukuba athathele ingqalelo izinto abanomdla kuzo.
Ayikhethi ngaphandle kwentsebenziswano yezoqoqosho okanye inkcubeko kunye namahlakani angaphandle kuya kuqiniswa, engakho kwingingqi yethu - iUnited States, i-Turkey. Ukuqina konxibelelwano olunjalo kunokwahluka kurhulumente kurhulumente, kodwa ngokubanzi, ndiyacinga, loo khosi, iya kuhlala iguqukile.
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