Amashumi amawaka amawaka abantu aphuma kwi-prollies yoqhankqalazo kulo mgqibelo kulo mgqibelo kwiRussia - abantu abangaphezu kwe-3 500, malunga nezigqibo ezili-100 zolawulo sele zikhutshiwe. Imibutho yamalungelo abantu iyanceda kubo bonke aba bantu-bacebisa ngokubanjwa, kuzisa iSebe leMicimbi yangaphakathi namanzi, kufezekisa inkululeko, ngokuhamba neenkundla. Uninzi lwabo bangazange bafikelele kwizabelo ngenxa yezizathu zabo, zama ukuncedisa okungenani nemibutho yezemali. Amaxesha ajonge ngasemva kwendawo yokwanguwa onjikazi, "kunye" namalungelo abantu "kwaye axelele indlela umzabalazo wamalungelo oluntu angagqitha ngayo phantsi kwekhephu kwizikwere.
Ulwazi lwe-OVD, umnxibelelanisi we-Leonid Drabkin-Ngokoliswa kweziphumo ze-rallies ngoJanuwari 23, wena ngokwakho unokuwuxabisa umsebenzi wakho, ngaba uyalenza? Ngaba amandla ngokwaneleyo?
-Isifundo sethu esiphambili-iinkcukacha zikhusela. Eyona nkalo ibaluleke kakhulu yomsebenzi wethu kumhlaba onoNcedo lwezoMthetho ngqo kukusasazwa kolwazi. NgoJanuwari 23, sacatshulwa kakhulu, sakwazi ukunika esidlangalaleni zonke iimeko zokuphulwa kwelungelo lebandla lendibano.
Ndingonwabanga ngakumbi, ndingonwabanga, ndihlala ndikho apho uza kuphucula khona, kodwa ndingathi nje iqela leqela lizinike ngokupheleleyo kwaye senze yonke into enokukwenza. Sancedwa ngamavolontiya angama-140. Kwakukho amashumi amawaka ezithuba zeposti kwi-bot yethu, kwaye kwakungekho zinto zinjalo, kwaye sasingalungisi ngokupheleleyo ngokwezixhobo zabantu nezobuchwephesha. Uninzi siphendule ngokulibaziseka, ngamanye amaxesha wayelinganiswa ngeyure, ngelishwa. Ezinye iifowuni zidlulile, kodwa emva koko zazama ukubuyela umva. Ndiyathemba ukuba abantu baya kusiqonda - yayingumthwalo ongazange wenziwe wangonwabanga. Emva kwemini, sabala iivawuni ezingama-3500 (ngoku 3695. - i-vtite), kwaye inani liyanda. Sisenokubalwa kunye nokuqinisekiswa kwedatha, ukucaciswa kwazo.
Ngokuphathelele kwi-ATS, senze okona kuphezulu, kodwa kwavela ukuba iphantsi kunenqanaba elifunekayo. Ukuvalelwa kwaba kwizixeko ezili-125, le linombolo yerekhodi. Asingabo bonke ababengamagqwetha, amagqwetha. KwanaseMoscow, ngaphandle kwentsebenziswano 'nesigwebo sikawonke-wonke ", oqhankqalazo' kunye nabanye, amagqwetha bakwazi ukushiya zonke iindawo, kuba basingelela kwiindawo ezahlukeneyo. Kodwa uninzi lwabo baye basebenzisa sikwazile ukucebisa. Ngoku siza kuzama ukubonelela ngalo lonke uncedo kwiinkundla. Siza kukhangela amagqwetha kuloo mimandla apho engekabikho. Kufuneka iqondwe ukuba amabanjwa ama-3 500 abanjiweyo kuninzi, malunga nenani elifanayo lalivalelwe zonke izabelo ngo-2019 kwi-MOSCOW City Duma.
-Ubakhankanya amavolontiya. Bangaphi kwaye ubafundisa njani?
- Amavolontiya awona mandla okuqhuba. Kwiminyaka elithoba eyadlulayo, ulwazi lwe-OVD lwaphakama njengeprojekthi yokuzinikela, babini kuphela ababezibini, la ziindawo zethu, nangoku amawaka. Umsebenzi owenziwa izolo kwaye namhlanje, siyenza yonke imihla, nangona singasoloko ibonakala. Kodwa kwiintsuku zezabelo ezikhulu ngaphandle kwamavolontiya, naphi na. Uthetha nebhotile ye-telegraph kunye nabo, kwifowuni yefowuni. Bayabopha yonke imithombo yolwazi ukuze sibe nomfanekiso opheleleyo wento eyenzekayo, uphinda wenze idatha. Ngamaxesha athile, sicinga nokwenza isikolo esahlukileyo samavolontiya, namhlanje sinemiyalelo, uqeqesho.
-Ngabanye oosango kwiinethiwekhi zentlalo, zazininzi izithuba ezingenakukwazi okanye ukungafuni ukuya kuthi ga kwi-rally, ukuba babenokuncama imali yabakhuseli bamalungelo abaya kunceda ababanjwa. Lingakanani inani labanikeli kunye nenani lemicimbi yonyuke kakhulu?
- Ewe, inani leminikelo kunye nexabiso labo liqaqambile. Khange sibale elinye inani lokugqibela de kube kanye, kodwa ezi ziimali ezirekhodiweyo. I-Interfunding ayisiyomali kuphela, kodwa ikwaxhasa. Ngokwesiqhelo thumela ngomhla wokukhuthaza, kwaye emva koko kwakuqala, yayiyinto efezekisayo. Sasiva isicelo soluntu kwizinto esizenzayo, kwaye ndifuna ukuthetha okuninzi kumbulelo wonke umntu. Sithetha ngamawakawaka abantu, kuhle kakhulu! Rhoqo ngenyanga ingxelo yethu iphuma, kwaye kuya kubonisa amanani achanekileyo. Uninzi lwemali luya kunceda iinkundla. Ngexesha lesenzo, sakwazi ukuncedisa bonke-abanye bacetyiswe, kodwa siya kuzama nje ukuncedisa kwiinkundla zenqanaba lokuqala nelesibini, zizise izinto kwi-ECHR. Libali elide.
-Ndixelele ukuba ilungiselelwe njani ulungelelwaniso? Kuthekani ukuba umntu wayevalelwe, kwaye wayengenalo ixesha lokwazisa ngayo, umzekelo, emnandi emphefumlweni, ufunda njani malunga neemeko ezinjalo?
"Ukuze sincede ngandlel 'ithile ukuba igqwetha livunyelwe ukuba libe ligama kunye nomhla wokuzalwa kwaye lube ngcono kwifowuni. Ukuba umntu ubanjiwe, kwaye ifowuni yakhe yahlala phantsi okanye ikhethwe - kukho umngcipheko kuye, kodwa, uyazi, i-Auto Sho yindawo yomanyano lwabantu. Ngalo lonke ixesha ubuncinci umntu ngefowuni uhlala, kwaye ubuncinci umntu ovela kwixesha lemoto ukubhala ngaye, kwaye malunga nabamelwane.
-Usuka kwi-bot kunye nefowuni oyilungisayo, lithini inyathelo elilandelayo? Unxibelelana njani neminye imibutho?
Kungekudala nje xa silungisa ulwazi malunga nokuvalelwa, njengoko kwakufuneka sibeke i-beacon kwaye silandele umntu ukuba azise i-ATS. Ukusukela oko ukuvalelwa kungadlula iiyure ezininzi. Ukuhamba kwegqwetha kuyavakala kuphela xa ufika ngokuchanekileyo kwi-ATS. Oku kubalulekile kuba bahlala bezisa enye i-ATS, bagcina apho, bacinga ngento, emva koko baya kwenye i-ATs.
Emva koko sicinga ukuba sinokhetho. Ukuba sinegqwetha, siya. Ukuba akunjalo, zilungelelaniswe nabanye. Abanye besingekaze sibe sekuphepheni. Asinayo igqwetha kurhulumente, silungelelanisa kuphela. Ubungakanani buxhomekeke kwisenzo, kwingqesho yobuqu. Iphuli ibalwa ikhulu elahlukileyo. Izolo bekukho abantu abangama-40. Ngendlela, igqwetha alikho kuphela inkxaso esemthethweni, kodwa nengqondo yengqondo. Xa ivaliwe iyaqonda ukuba umntu oxineneyo usondele, kulula kuye.
Kuyinyani ukuhambisa amandla-njalo yingxaki, sinamashumi eengcinga. Kodwa ngalo lonke ixesha senza igumbi ngaphambili kwisicwangciso sokuzenzekelayo. Akukho kuphela i-bot yabafundi, kodwa ne-bots zangaphakathi. Kodwa umthwalo uyakhula kwaye uyakhula kwaye uyakhula.
-I-OVD-Info Enye into ethile yathi ukubangabanjwa sele i-3,500, kwaye emva koko yafumana iwaka. Ingaba yenzeke njani? Ngaba inombolo nje ibiyimpazamo okanye yayikho idatha?
- Yayilibali malunga nokuqinisekiswa kunye nokuqinisekiswa kwedatha. Sasisazi ngaba bantu, kodwa sakwazi ukukhangela i-2500 kuphela kwaye yapapasha ngengozi inani elingakhange lijongwe ngokupheleleyo. Akukho namnye, ngethamsanqa, akazange akhohlise, kodwa ulwazi kufuneka lukhangelwe. Ngenxa yoko, funda-safika kulo mfanekiso.
-Ngamanye amagama, ngokuchanekileyo nje ukuba le linani olunikelweyo, ngaba kukugqibela?
-Sinika inani esiqiniseke ngalo, uqinile andifuni kuyenza. Xa lonke ulwazi lugqityiwe, inani langoku liya kukhula ngamakhulu aliqela. Andicingi ukuba umyalelo wobukhulu, ngokuqinisekileyo hayi amaxesha ali-10. Singathetha ngamakhulu abantu. Ndiza kumnika umzekelo. Ngokwesiqhelo, abantu abangama-20 bahlala kwi-ofisi ye-auto, abayi-15 baya kubhalela kuye nabo bonke abakwipussy. NgoMgqibelo, sabhalwa eMakhachokala - bekukho abantu abangama-60 behleli apho, kwaye bangeniswe ezintathu kuphela okanye ezine. Kwangoko, akukho mntu uza kubiza. Kodwa ngoku le meko ibonisa ukuba kusenokuba kusekho kusakho, babesoyika nje ukupapasha amagama abo.
-Ngcali, lunjani ulwazi oluvela kwimimandla ngokubanzi? Zininzi izinto "zolwazi oluninzi" phaya?
- ngaphambili, zonke izabelo zaseRussia sele zisele zenziwe, umzekelo, emva kwefilimu "akanguye uDimon". Ke besisazi kancinci-akukaziwa, mhlawumbi kwenye indawo abangazilibazisanga, kwaye mhlawumbi asichazwanga. Yonke inyuselo ifundile kuthi ngakumbi nangakumbi. Sikwakhula-ngo-2020 sanikezela ngoncedo lwezomthetho kwizixeko ezili-15 ukuya kwezili-20. Sasibandakanyeka kumakhulu kunye namakhulu amatyala eKhabarovsk, babefuna abameli apho, nangona kwakungekho magqwetha kwimimandla. Ndiyathemba ukuba ngo-2021 siza kukwazi ukunceda inani elikhulu labantu.
"Iiposikhadi zamalungelo abantu", iMaliyar Antostasia Burakova- Yintoni umsebenzi "weposi yamalungelo abantu"?
- Okokuqala, sisasaza imemo eneenombolo zefowuni naphina kuyo yonke indawo. Umsebenzi wokuqala yi-Reages-theations yokubanjwa, umnxeba ovela kwiRussia. Buza ukuba wenze ntoni ukuba ubhalele ukuba ungabhaleli kwiiprotokholi. Sinemitha kunye nomntu osebenza naye ngoMgqibelo wathatha iifowuni ezingama-200. Kwaye sinayo i-bot, samkela ulwazi kwaye bayaphendula abantu. Emva koko siqokelela ulwazi malunga nokubanjwa, sicela ukuba sibhale kwakhona wonke umntu kwimpundu, ohamba nabo. Ukulungelelaniswa kwemibutho yamalungelo abantu ukuba nomfanekiso oqhelekileyo, ofuna uncedo kumavolontiya kwisicwangciso sokutya, amanzi. Kwaye, ewe, oku kuyayeka ukuya kumasebe. Ngexesha loMgqibelo, ukukhuthaza ukuba uninzi lophulo: Abantu banamanqaku abonakale abangakwaziyo ukubamba ngaphezulu kweeyure ezintathu, kwaye bagcina 8-9. Sibukele abantu bakhulule ekugqibeleni. Uncedo lwaluncede kwiimeko ezingaqhelekanga: Abaniki ziyobisi kwabo bafuneka ngokungxamisekileyo, isifo seswekile umzekelo. Okulandelayo-uncedo kwiinkundla. Kule veki kuya kuba ngenkuthalo: Abasemagunyeni baya kuzama ukuqwalasela amatyala olawulo. Inkqubo yokugweba, ndiyakrokrela, ayizukuphumelela kwiveki.
- Bangakanani abasebenzisanayo abangamagqwetha kunye nawe? Kuphela kwi-moscow okanye kwimimandla nayo?
-Sinemigqwetha esitsalelayo ukuba iyafuneka kwizixa ezikhulu. EMoscow kunye noSt. Petersburg, malunga ne-10 kwisixeko ngasinye. Kwezinye izixeko, batsala ngaphezulu kwama-20 ngaphezulu. Ngalo lonke ixesha izabelo zifuna umntu omtsha. Umsebenzi wamagqwetha esihlawula.
-Ukulungelelanisa njani inkqubela phambili neminye imibutho yamalungelo oluntu? Ugqiba kwelokuba ngubani kwaye uza phi?
-UPeter sinengxoxo eqhelekileyo kwitafile eqhelekileyo kwityala, esikhokelela xa sisazi inqaku, imeko, eyashiya amagqwetha, isebenza kwi-Intanethi. Kwakhona kwiinkundla zokungaphindezelwa. Kwi-St. Petersburg, kuwo onke usapho olude olunobuhlobo. Sisoloko sisebenza ngokulula. EMoscow, jonga, jonga imijelo ye-telegraph ukuze ingaphili. Kwaye sizama ukuzibhala ukuba ngubani kwaye phi kweyethu ihambile.
-Zingaphi izibheno ezikhoyo ngoMgqibelo? Kukutyhutywe njani usuku lwesitokhwe? Ngaba uhlangabezana nomsebenzi, ngaba kukho isikali sakho esimangalisayo, ngaba kukho izixhobo ezaneleyo?
-Kunzima ukuyithetha, kunzima ukubala ngamanani apheleleyo. Ewe kunjalo, bendihlala ndithanda, ewe, ukwenza amagqwetha amaninzi kangangoko anakho ukunikela ingqalelo kwinye. Yeyona nto ibalulekileyo kule minyaka idlulileyo. Kodwa ngokubanzi bagcoba. Ayikho into enjalo umntu obhale-ndihlala iiyure ezisibhozo endaweni yesithathu, kodwa akukho mntu uthumela.
- Ngaphambi kokuba enze isenzo kwaye emva kwayo, ngaba inkxaso yemali evela kubaxhasi yayinyuka? Iphawuleka kangakanani? Ngaba unazo ezi zixhobo?
Ewe, ngo-EX ngawo nangexesha lokukhuthaza, sixhaswe ngokubonakalayo, ngoMgqibelo sasigubungela umsebenzi wabo bonke abagqwetha. Kwaye njengabameli abancinci kunye neenkundla ziya kukwazi ukugubungela umsebenzi. Ngokwesiqhelo iFendraise yinxalenye ebalulekileyo esisebenza kuyo. Ngoku ndingatsho ukuba iminikelo yayingaphezulu kwesiqhelo. Xa kuthelekiswa nezabelo zesininzi 2017 ukuya ku-2008. Inkxaso inyuke i-1.5-2. Ke kusafuneka kuqikelele ukuba yimalini. Xa ishishini laseMoscow lalikuthi, basinceda, kuba senza abakhuseli kumatyala olwaphulo-mthetho, ngokulandelelana, intatheli yabhala ngathi, abantu basazi ngakumbi.
"UXOXO LOKWENZIWAYO", igqwetha kunye neqabane eliphezulu uAlexander Ponoruk-Sixelele ngeshishini lakho elifutshane. Ngaba umsebenzi wakho ulele kwinto yokuba uye kwi-ATS? Okanye ngaba zikho iingcebiso, enye into?
- Iqela 'lokuxolisa "liquka abantu abathandathu kunye nothungelwano lwamagqwetha kweli lizwe, ezinxibelelana nathi. Uncedo lwezoMthetho lukhulu. Ukusuka kunxibelelwano, ukuhambisa kumasebe, ukhuseleko kwiinkundla zaseRussia kunye neNkundla yaseYurophu Elwela Amalungelo Abantu. Ukongeza, uncedo lufumana kwaye amaxhoba obundlobongela ngexesha loqhanqalazo. Kukwabanga ukwala ukulungelelanisa iintshukumo zendawo kunye nembuyekezo yomonakalo ongenamsebenzi wokutshutshiswa ngokungekho mthethweni kwityala labaqhankqalazi. Ukukhuselwa kolwaphulo-mthetho kuyaqhubeka. Sibonelela ngoncedo lwezomthetho kulo lonke uhlobo lwemicimbi enxulumene noqhanqalazo loxolo. Ewe, ePiak ukhutshelo, xa iziphakamiso zobuninzi ziyadlula, kunzima ukusebenza, kodwa sizama ukunceda wonke umntu owabhenela kuthi.
-Unjani imini yesenzo, isikali sasingayifumani isimanga?
-Kwiphulo lokuqhanqala ngoJanuwari 23, sasilungiselela kwangaphambili: Sanxibelelana namagqwetha kwimimandla nakwiintloko. Uninzi lwamalungu eqela asebenze ekuqulunqweni kwe-akhawunti eyahlukileyo kwi-intanethi kwi-telegraph ebizelwe sixolile. Abanini mva babhalela le akhawunti ukuba bafuna uncedo. Abasebenzi bethu bayazirekhoda ezi zibongozo, bacebise ukubanjwa, kwaye banxibelelane nabameli kwaye bathumele kubathathi-nxaxheba kwizidalwa zoqhanqalazo. Sikwafumana imiyalezo malunga nobundlobongela ojamelene nabo abaqhankqalazi. Amagqwetha ethu athabatha ulawulo lweemeko ezininzi, qiniseka ukuba uphinda kwikomiti yophando-ubundlobongela abaphathi boxolo akwamkelekanga kwintando yesininzi - siphinda la magama.
- Bangakanani abasebenzisanayo abangamagqwetha kunye nawe? Kuphela kwi-moscow okanye kwimimandla nayo?
- NgoJanuwari 23, ngokuqinisekileyo, yayilusuku olunzima, kuba sisebenza kulo lonke elaseRussia. Kodwa ukwazi ukuba sinokukunceda umntu, sisikhukhuse ukuba sisebenze ngakumbi kwaye sinika amandla. Wonke umntu ufanele ilungelo lokuthatha inxaxheba kuhlanga olunoxolo, kwaye silwa ngenkuthalo eli lungelo kwaye siya kuqhubeka silwa, sibonisa iinkundla zeemeko ezahlukeneyo.
Kuphela ngosuku lwesenzo kwinkxaso ye-Alexei Navalny 67 Amagqwetha "asebenza kwizixeko ezingama-28 zaseRussia: kwi-vladivosok ukuya eSt. Petersburg. Amagqwetha ethu aphuma kumasebe amapolisa angama-85 kwaye anike uncedo lwezomthetho kubantu abanjiweyo abayi-1013. Ukongeza, amagqwetha "uqhankqalazo" Uqhanqalazelo "" ukhulele ukuvavanywa kwe-22- bakhuselwe ngabasebenzi bekomkhulu, abo basebenza ngabasebenzi bekomkhulu le-Navalny kunye nabo maphesheya abaye bakwazi ukugweba ngesenzo soxolo.
-Ufunda njani ukubambelela amabanjwa kwabani na kwaye ufuna uncedo phi? Unxibelelaniso lulungelelwa njani neminye yemibutho yamalungelo oluntu? Ugqiba kwelokuba ngubani kwaye uza phi?
-Umbuso olwalamano oluhle noogxa bethu kwi-OVD-info, ngokukhawuleza sisombulula imicimbi yokubanjwa, umsebenzi usebenza ngakumbi, kwaye amabanjwa asebenza ngakumbi, kwaye amabanjwa afumana uncedo kwelona lungelo.
-Phambi kwesenzo kwaye emva kwayo, ixhaswe inkxaso evela kubaxhasi? Ikhule linani labanikeli? Iphawuleka kangakanani?
-Siye sazisungula isihlwele kutshanje, kwiintsuku nje ezimbalwa phambi komhlanga. Kuthi, le nto inovelwano, ukuza kuthi ga ngoku kunzima ukuthi malunga neziphumo kwaye akukho nto yokuthelekisa. Kodwa abaninzi basabela kwisibheno sethu. Kwiveki efumene ngaphezulu kwe-1,500 yeentlawulo. Sinombulelo kuye wonke umntu osibingelelayo, kunye nabo babhalisela iminikelo yenyanga.