Amashumi ambalwa ezinkulungwane zabantu aphuma imibuthano yokubhikisha ngalo Mgqibelo kulo lonke elaseRussia - ababoshiwe abangaphezu kuka-3 500, aqale okungenani amacala ayi-15 obugebengu, cishe izinqumo zokuphatha ezingaba ngu-100 sezivele zikhishwe. Izinhlangano zamalungelo abantu zisiza kubo bonke laba bantu - beluleka ngokuboshwa, balethe uMnyango Wezangaphakathi Namanzi, bafinyelele inkululeko, ehambisana nasezinkantolo. Iningi lalabo abangakafinyeleli amasheya ngenxa yezizathu zomuntu siqu, zama okungenani ukusiza izinhlangano ezinjalo ngokwezezimali. Izikhathi ezibukeke ngemuva kwezigcawu zomsebenzi we-OWD-Info, "ukubhikisha" kanye "namalungelo abantu" futhi utshele ukuthi umzabalazo wamalungelo omphakathi udlula kanjani ngaphansi kweqhwa ezigcawini.
Imininingwane ye-ovd, umxhumanisi uLeonid Drabkin- Ngokusho kwemiphumela yemibuthano ngoJanuwari 23, wena ngokwakho ungabonga umsebenzi wakho, uyakwazi yini ukubhekana na? Amabutho anele?
- Umgomo wethu oyinhloko - Ulwazi luvikela. Isici esibaluleke kakhulu somsebenzi wethu nge-par enosizo oluqondile lwezomthetho ukusatshalaliswa kwemininingwane. NgoJanuwari 23, sasicashunwa kakhulu, sakwazi ukunikeza obala zonke izimo zokwephulwa kwelungelo lenkululeko yokuhlangana.
Ngijabule kakhulu noma ngingajabule, ngihlala ngikhona lapho kufanele ngithuthukise khona, kepha ngikwazi ukusho ukuthi iqembu lazinikela ngokuphelele futhi senze konke okusemandleni. Sasizwa amavolontiya angaba ngu-140. Kwakunamashumi ezinkulungwane zokuthunyelwe ku-bot yethu, kwakungekho mavolumu anjalo, futhi sasingakulungeli ngokuphelele ngokwemithombo yabantu nezobuchwepheshe. Abaningi sasiphendula ngokubambezeleka okukhulu, kwesinye isikhathi walinganiswa ngamahora, ngeshwa. Ezinye izingcingo zadlula, kodwa lapho bazama ukubuyela emuva. Ngiyethemba abantu bazosiqonda - kwakuwumthwalo ongakaze ubonwe. Ntambama, sibale ama-detainees angama-3500 aqinisekisiwe (manje angu-3695. - Ama-vtimes), nenombolo iyanda. Sisenokubalwa nokuqinisekiswa kwedatha, ukucaciswa kwabo.
Ngokuya ekuhambeni ku-ATS, senze futhi okukhulu kakhulu, kepha kwavela ukuthi kuphansi kunezinga elidingekayo. Ukuvalelwa kwakusemadolobheni ayi-125, le yinombolo erekhodiwe. Akusibo bonke abangabameli, abameli. Ngisho naseMoses, naphezu kokubambisana 'nesinqumo somphakathi', "umbhikisho" nabanye, abameli bakwazi ukungashiyi kuwo wonke ama-ATS, ngoba baletha ezindaweni ezahlukahlukene. Kepha iningi lalabo abasebenza ngalokukwazi okungenani ukululeka. Manje sizozama ukunikeza lonke usizo ezinkantolo. Sizobheka abameli kulezo zindawo lapho bengakabi khona. Kufanele kuqondwe ukuthi ababoshiwe abangama-3,500 baningi, mayelana nenani elifanayo lavalelwa kuwo wonke amasheya ngonyaka we-2019 ezungeze idolobha laseMoscow Duma.
- Ubalule amavolontiya. Bangaki futhi ubafundisa kanjani?
- Amavolontiya angamandla amakhulu okushayela. Eminyakeni engu-9 eyedlule, imininingwane ye-ovd yavuka njengephrojekthi yokuzithandela, ngababili kubo kuphela ababengabasunguli bethu, futhi manje izinkulungwane. Umsebenzi owenziwe izolo nanamuhla - eqinisweni, sikwenza nsuku zonke, yize kungabonakali njalo. Kepha ezinsukwini zamasheya amakhulu ngaphandle kwamavolontiya, nje akukho ndawo. Ukhuluma ne-telegraph yebhodlela nabo, ku-hotline yocingo. Banoboya yonke imithombo yolwazi ukuze sibe nesithombe esiphelele sokuthi kwenzekani, shintshanisa imininingwane. Ngezikhathi ezithile, sicabanga ngisho nokwakha isikole esihlukile kumavolontiya, namuhla sinemiyalo, ukuqeqeshwa.
- Ngobusuku bemibukiso ekuxhumaneni nomphakathi, kwaba nokuthunyelwe okuningi okuvela kulabo abangakwazi noma abangafuni ukuya emhlanganweni, ukuthi babezodela imali kubavikeli bamalungelo abantu abazosiza ababoshiwe. Inani labaxhasi kanye nenani leminikelo likhule kakhulu?
- Yebo, inani leminikelo nenani lazo lenyuka kakhulu. Asibali esinye isibalo sokugcina size saba kanye, kepha la manani amarekhodi. Ukufaka i-Confffunding akuyona imali kuphela, kodwa futhi nokusekelwa. Imvamisa thumela ngosuku lokunyuswa, bese kusengaphambili, kwakuwukufeza okukhulu. Sizwe isicelo somphakathi kulokho esikwenzayo, futhi ngifuna ukusho okuningi kuwo wonke umuntu. Sikhuluma ngezinkulungwane zabantu, kuhle kakhulu! Njalo ngenyanga umbiko wethu uyaphuma, futhi lapho sizokhombisa izinombolo eziqondile. Iminikelo eminingi izosiza izinkantolo. Ngesikhathi sesenzo, sikwazile ukusisiza bonke - abanye bamane balulekwa, kodwa sizozama ukusiza ezinkantolo zesimo sokuqala nesibili, silethe izinto ku-ECHR. Indaba ende.
- Ngitshele ukuthi uhlelo lokusebenza luhlelwe kanjani? Kuthiwani uma umuntu eboshwe, futhi wayengenaso isikhathi sokwazisa ngakho, ngokwesibonelo, wayijabulisa ifoni, ufunda kanjani ngamacala anjalo?
"Ukuze ngandlela thile singasiza ngandlela thile ukuthi ummeli uvunyelwe kuma-ATS, udinga ukwazi igama nosuku lokuzalwa nocingo. Uma umuntu eboshwe, ifoni yakhe yahlala phansi noma ikhethiwe - kunobungozi baye ukuthi angazi, kodwa, uyazi, i-auto sho iyindawo yobunye babantu. Njalo okungenani umuntu oseleyo oseleyo, futhi okungenani umuntu ovela ngesikhathi sokupheka kwemoto ukubhala ngaye uqobo, nangomakhelwane.
- Ukusuka kwi-bot kanye nefoni oyilungisayo, yisiphi isinyathelo esilandelayo? Ngabe uhlela kanjani nezinye izinhlangano?
- Lapho nje silungisa imininingwane mayelana nokuboshwa, thina njengokuthi sabeka i-beacon futhi silandele umuntu ukuletha kuma-ATS. Kusukela ngesikhathi sokuboshwa kungadlula amahora amaningi. Ukuhamba kommeli kunengqondo kuphela lapho kufika ngqo ku-ATS. Lokhu kubalulekile ngoba zivame ukuletha eyodwa kuma-ATS, ziyaqhubeka lapho, zicabanga ngokuthile, bese ziya kwelinye ama-ATS.
Ngemuva kwalokho sicabanga ukuthi sinezinketho. Uma sinommeli, siyahamba. Uma kungenjalo, kuhlanganiswe nabanye. Abanye besingeke sasopashelwa. Asinawo ummeli embusweni, sihlela konke kuphela. Inani lincike esenzweni, ekusebenzeni komuntu siqu. Ichibi libalwa elihlukile elihlukile. Izolo bekukhona abameli abangaba ngu-40. Ngendlela, ummeli akagcini ngokuxhaswa ngokomthetho kuphela, kodwa futhi nangokwengqondo. Lapho ababoshiwe beqonda ukuthi umuntu oncishisiwe useduze, kulula kuye.
Kuyiqiniso ukusabalalisa amabutho - nxazonke kunenkinga, sinamashumi ezingxoxo. Kepha ngaso sonke isikhathi lapho senza iChamber phambili kuHlelo Lokuzenzakalela. Azikho kuphela i-bot yabafundi, kodwa futhi nama-bots angaphakathi. Kepha umthwalo uyakhula ukhula futhi ukhula.
- U-Ovd-Info Ngamanye amaphuzu uthe ababoshiwe sebevele bengama-3 500, base belulama cishe inkulungwane. Kwenzeke kanjani? Ngabe inombolo nje yayinephutha noma ingabe ayikho idatha?
- Kwakuyindaba mayelana nokuqinisekiswa nokuqinisekiswa kwedatha. Sasazi ngalaba bantu, kodwa sakwazile ukubheka kuphela ama-2500 futhi ngephutha bashicilela isithombe esingahlolwa ngokuphelele. Asikho muntu, ngenhlanhla, akazange akhohlise, kepha nokho ulwazi kufanele luhlolwe. Ngenxa yalokho, bheka - Safika esithombeni esinjalo.
- Ngamanye amagama, impela lelo yinombolo oyinikezayo, kungokokugcina?
- Sinikeza inombolo lapho sinesiqiniseko, ukuqagela ngangingeke ngifune ukukwenza. Lapho yonke imininingwane icutshungulwa, inombolo yamanje izokhula ngamakhulu amaningana. Angicabangi ukuthi i-oda lobukhulu, nakanjani hhayi amahlandla ayi-10. Singakhuluma ngamakhulu abantu. Ngizonikeza isibonelo. Imvamisa, abantu abangama-20 bahlala ephepheni le-auto, abangu-15 babo nakanjani bazobhalela bona nawo wonke umuntu ePussy. NgoMgqibelo, sabhalwa kusuka kuMakhachkala - kwakukhona abantu abacishe babe ngu-60 bahlala lapho, kwaqalwa abathathu noma abane kuphela. Phambilini, akekho noyedwa obize. Kepha manje lesi simo sibonisa ukuthi kungenzeka kube namanje - besaba ukushicilela amagama abo.
- Endleleni, ulwazi oluvela kanjani ezifundeni luvame ukucutshungulwa? Kunenqwaba ye- "ATS Info" lapho?
- Phambilini, wonke amasheya aseRussia ayesevele esevele, ngokwesibonelo, ngemuva kwefilimu "Akayona i-dimon". Ngemuva kwalokho sayazi okuncane - akwaziwa, mhlawumbe kwenye indawo abakubambezeli, futhi mhlawumbe sasingabikwa. Konke ukukhushulwa kufundwa ngathi ngokwengeziwe. Siphinde sathuthuka - ngo-2020 sasinikeza usizo lwezomthetho emadolobheni angu-15-20. Sabandakanyeka ku-inqwaba kanye namakhulu amacala eKhabarovsk, bebefuna abameli lapho, yize bekungekho zibalo abakhona ezifundeni. Ngiyethemba ngo-2021 sizokwazi ukusiza inani elikhulu labantu.
"Amalungelo amalungelo abantu", ummeli u-Anastasia Burakova- Uyini umsebenzi we- "Postcards Yamalungelo Abantu"?
- Okokuqala, sisabalalisa imemo ngezinombolo zocingo yonke indawo. Umsebenzi wokuqala ukude - ukubonisana kwababoshiwe, shayela kusuka kulo lonke elaseRussia. Buza ukuthi wenzeni okufanele ukwenze ukuze ungakubhaleli ku-protocols. Sisebenza naye kanye nomuntu osebenza naye ngoMgqibelo sathatha izingcingo ezingama-200. Futhi sine-bot, samukela imininingwane futhi abantu baphendula. Ngemuva kwalokho siqoqa imininingwane mayelana nokuboshwa, sicela ukubhala kabusha wonke umuntu esibhamu, uhamba nabo. Hlanganisa nezinye izinhlangano zamalungelo abantu ukuze babe nesithombe esifanayo, ezidinga usizo lokusiza amavolontiya ohlelweni lokudla, amanzi. Futhi-ke, lokhu kumuka emnyangweni. NgoMgqibelo, ukukhushulwa kwaba ukwephulwa okuningi: abantu baye babeka izindatshana ezazingeke bakwazi ukubamba amahora angaphezu kwamathathu, futhi bagcina i-8-9. Sibuke abantu ekugcineni badedelwe. Usizo lusizwa ezimweni ezingejwayelekile: azinikezi izidakamizwa kulabo abadingeka ngokuphuthumayo, abanesifo sikashukela ngokwesibonelo. Okulandelayo - Usizo ezinkantolo. Kuleli sonto kuzokwenza ngentshiseko: Iziphathimandla zizozama ukubheka amacala okuphatha kunalokho. Uhlelo lokwahlulela, ngiyasola, ngeke likwazi ukubhekana nesonto.
- Kubambisana kangakanani abameli nawe? KuseMoscow kuphela noma ezifundeni futhi?
- Sinabameli esiheha uma bedingeka ngamanani amakhulu. EMoscow naseSt. Petersburg, cishe yi-10 kuwo wonke amadolobha. Kwamanye amadolobha, aheha okungaphezulu kwama-20 ngaphezulu. Njalo ngaphambi kokuba amasheya afuna umuntu omusha. Umsebenzi wabameli siyakhokha.
- Ukudideka kuhlangana kanjani nezinye izinhlangano zamalungelo abantu? Unquma kanjani ukuthi ubani futhi uzoya kuphi?
- KuPhetro sinengxoxo evamile, itafula elijwayelekile emgcini, esiliholayo lapho sazi i-athikili, isimo, esishiye abameli, sisebenza online. Futhi ezinkantolo ukuthi kungaphindizi. ESt. Petersburg, emndenini wamalungelo abantu isikhathi eside. Sihlala sisebenza kalula. EMoscow, futhi, bheka, qapha iziteshi ze-telegraph ukuze zingaphindi. Futhi sizama ukuzikhipha ohlwini olubi nalo nokuthi ngubani wethu ohambile.
- Zingaki izikhalazo ezazingoMgqibelo? Usuku lwesitoko seludlulile kanjani? Ngabe ubhekane nomsebenzi, ingabe bekukhona isilinganiselo sakho esimangazayo, ingabe kukhona izinsiza ezanele?
- Kunzima ukusho, kunzima kakhulu ukubala ngezinombolo eziphelele. Vele, ngihlala ngithanda, kunjalo, ukwenza abameli abaningi ngangokunokwenzeka ukuze banake ngamunye. Kwakuyisabelo esikhulu kunazo zonke eminyakeni yamuva. Kepha ngokuvamile babhekana. Kwakungekho nto enjalo umuntu abhale - ngihlala amahora ayisishiyagalombili esikhundleni sabathathu, kepha asinawo athumele.
- Ngaphambi kwesenzo nangemva kwayo, ingabe ukusekelwa kwezezimali okuvela kubasekeli kwandisiwe? Kuyabonakala kanjani? Ingabe unayo le mithombo?
- Yebo, ngo-Eva walokhu kunyuswe, sasisekelwa ngokusobala, ngoMgqibelo samboza umsebenzi wabo bonke abameli. Futhi ngisho nabameli abancane kanye nezinkantolo bazokwazi ukumboza umsebenzi. Imvamisa i-fundraise iyingxenye ebalulekile esisebenza kuyo. Manje sengingasho ukuthi iminikelo yayingaphezu kokujwayelekile. Qhathanisa namasheya amaningi we-2017-2018. Ukusekelwa kwandiswe izikhathi eziyi-1.5-2. Ngakho-ke kunzima ukukala ukuthi kungakanani. Lapho ibhizinisi laseMoscow linjalo, basisiza ngenkuthalo, ngoba sabavikela ngamacala amakhulu obugebengu, ngokulandelana, izintatheli zabhala ngathi, abantu baziningi.
"Ukuxolisa kombhikisho", ummeli kanye nomlingani omkhulu u-Alexander Ponoruk- Sitshele ngebhizinisi lakho. Ngabe umsebenzi wakho ulele eqinisweni lokuthi uya e-ATS? Noma ingabe kukhona izeluleko, enye into?
- Iqembu le- "Polictory Apology" liqukethe abantu abayisithupha kanye nenethiwekhi yabameli ezweni, abaxhumana nathi. Usizo lwezomthetho luhlukahlukene. Ukusuka ekuxhumaneni, ekuhambeni eminyangweni, ukuvikelwa ezinkantolo zaseRussia kanye neNkantolo YaseYurophu Yamalungelo Abantu. Ngaphezu kwalokho, siza ukwamukela kanye nezisulu zodlame ngesikhathi sokubhikisha. Kubuye kuthi yenqaba ukuxhumanisa izenzo zasendaweni kanye nesinxephezelo somonakalo ongewona ama-pecuniary wokushushiswa okungekho emthethweni esitokisini sababhikishi. Ukuvikelwa kobugebengu kuyaqhubeka futhi. Sinikeza ngosizo lwezomthetho kulo lonke iSpectrum yezindaba ezihlobene nombhikisho onokuthula. Vele, ekulandweni okuphezulu, lapho kudlula ukukhushulwa okukhulu, kunzima ukusebenza, kepha sizama ukusiza wonke umuntu oshumayeze.
- Bekunjani usuku lwesenzo kuwe, isikali sasingakutholi ukumangala?
- Kumkhankaso wokubhikisha ngoJanuwari 23, sase silungiselela kusenesikhathi: Sakhulumisana nabameli ezifundeni nasezindaweni ezikhona. Iningi lamalungu eqembu lasebenza ekwamukelweni kwezokuxhumana kwi-akhawunti ehlukile eTelegraph ebizwa nge-Axolisaangelelp. Amabombo abhalela le akhawunti uma edinga usizo. Abasebenzi bethu baqopha lezi zinceku ezidluliselwe, beluleka ababoshiwe, bese bexhumanisa abameli futhi bazithumele kubahlanganyeli bemibuthalo yokubhikisha. Sithola nemiyalezo ngodlame lapho ababhikishi babhekana naso. Abameli bethu bathathe izigameko eziningana, qiniseka ukuthi baphendukela ekomitini yokuphenya - Udlame lwababhikishi abanokuthula abumukeleki emphakathini wentando yeningi - siphinda la magama kanye.
- Kubambisana kangakanani abameli nawe? KuseMoscow kuphela noma ezifundeni futhi?
- Januwari 23, nakanjani, kwakuwusuku olunzima, ngoba sisebenza kulo lonke elaseRussia. Kepha ukwazi ukuthi singamsiza othile, sisishukumisela ukuba sisebenze futhi sinikeze amandla. Wonke umuntu ufanele ilungelo lokubamba iqhaza emhlanganweni onokuthula, futhi silwela leli lungelo futhi sizoqhubeka nokulwa, sifakazela ezinkantolo zezimo ezahlukahlukene.
Kuphela ngosuku lwesenzo ekusekelweni kokuxolisa kwabameli be-Alexei Navalny 67 "kusetshenziswe emadolobheni angama-28 eRussia: Kusuka eVladivostok kuya eSt. Petersburg. Abameli bethu baphuma eminyangweni yamaphoyisa angama-85 futhi bahlinzeka ngosizo lwezomthetho kubaboshiwe abangama-1013. Ngaphezu kwalokho, ukuxolisa kwabameli "kubhekiswe ekuvakasheleni izivivinyo ezingama-22 - bavikelwe izishoshovu, iningi labo lalingabasebenzi beNdlunkulu yeNavalny kanye nalezo zishoshovu ezikwazile ukulahla izingcingo ezisolwa ngokuthula.
- Ufunda kanjani ngababoshiwe kubani futhi udinga usizo kuphi? Ukuxhumana Kuba njani ukuxhumanisa nezinye izinhlangano zamalungelo abantu? Unquma kanjani ukuthi ubani futhi uzoya kuphi?
- Ngenxa yobudlelwano obuhle nozakwethu kusuka ku-OVD-Info, sixazulula ngokushesha izingqinamba nababoshiwe, umsebenzi usebenza kahle kakhulu, futhi ababoshiwe bathola usizo kuze kube sekupheleni.
- Ngaphambi kwesenzo nangemva kwayo, usekele ukwesekwa kwabasekeli? Wakhula ngenani labanikeli? Kuyabonakala kanjani?
- Sethule ukuphinda sibe sibunguwe muva nje, ezinsukwini ezimbalwa ngaphambi komhlangano. Kithina, lokhu kuyinto entsha, kuze kube manje kunzima ukusho ngemiphumela futhi akukho ongakuqhathanisa. Kepha abaningi basabela esikhaleni sethu. Evikini sathola izinkokhelo ezingaphezu kuka-1,500. Siyabonga kubo bonke abantu abasinikele ngenye, nalabo ababhalisa iminikelo yanyanga zonke.