Makumi akati wandei ezviuru zvevanhu akabuda muProtest Rallies Mugovera Mugovera muRussia - Vanopfuura 3,500 Detinees, vakatanga kanenge gumi nemashanu mhosva Masangano ekodzero dzevanhu anobatsira kune vanhu vese ava - iwo anopa zano nekusungwa, kuunza mudhipatimendi rezvemukati memukati nemvura, tanga kusunungurwa, achiperekedza mumatare. Vazhinji vevaya vasina kusvika pamazita nekuda kwezvikonzero zvavo, edza kushandisa zvisingaite masangano akadaro. Nhambirini yakatarisa kuseri kwechiitiko cheOWD-ruzivo, "kuratidzira" uye "kodzero dzevanhu" uye taura kuti kurwira kodzero dzehurumende hakungori pasi pechando mumataundi.
OVD info, kuronga leonid drabkin- sekuenderana nemhedzisiro yemakara musi waJanuary 23, iwe pachako unogona kukoshesa basa rako, iwe unokwanisa kurarama here? Masimba Akakwana?
- Chishamiso chedu chikuru - ruzivo runodzivirira. Chinhu chakanyanya kukosha chebasa redu pane chikamu chesarudzo chakananga chiri pamutemo ndiko kupararira kweruzivo. Musi waJanuary 23, takanga takatorwa, takakwanisa kupa pachena nyaya dzese dzekutyora kwekodzero yeruzivo rweusununguko rweusununguko.
Ini ndinowedzera kana kusingafadzi, ndinogara ndisina kugadzikana, nguva dzose ndipo pekuvandudza, asi ndinogona kutaura chaizvo kuti timu yakazvipa zvizere uye takaita zvese izvo zvinogona. Isu takabatsirwa nevazvipiri vangangoita zana nemashanu. Paive nemakumi ezviuru ezviuru emabhodhi mune yedu bot, pakanga pasina mavhoriyamu akadaro, uye isu hatina kuve takagadzirira zvachose maererano nezvinhu zvehunyanzvi uye nehunyanzvi. Vazhinji tapindura nekunonoka kukuru, dzimwe nguva aaiyerwa nemaawa, zvinosuruvarisa. Dzimwe dzinodonha dzakapfuura, asi ipapo vakaedza kufona. Ndinovimba vanhu vachatinzwisisa - yaive mutoro wausina kumbobvira waitika. Masikati, takaverenga 3500 vakasimbiswa vestainees (zvino 3695. - VTimes), uye nhamba yacho inowedzera. Tichiri nekuverenga uye kuongororwa kwedata, kujekeswa kwavo.
Panyaya yekuenda muTs, isu takaitawo zvakaringana, asi zvakazoitika kuve vakaderera pane iyo inodiwa nhanho. Derdention vaive mumaguta gumi nemaviri, iyi inhamba yekodhi. Havasi isu tese vaiva magweta, magweta. Kunyangwe muMoscow, kunyangwe kushandira pamwe ne "mutongo weruzhinji", "kuratidzira" nevamwe, magweta akakwanisa kusiya musill, nekuti vakaendesa kunzvimbo dzakasiyana siyana. Asi vazhinji veavo vakashandisa isu takakwanisa kuraira. Zvino tichaedza kupa rubatsiro rwese mumatare. Tichatsvaga magweta mumatunhu eiye asati agara. Izvo zvinofanirwa kunzwisiswa kuti mazana matatu emadhora anonyanya kuita, nezve huwandu hwakaenzana hwakafukidzwa nemari yese muna 2019 yakatenderedza guta reMoscow.
- iwe wakataura vazvipiri. Vangani uye unovadzidzisa sei?
- Vazvipiri ndivo vakuru vekutyaira. Makore mapfumbamwe apfuura, OVD info yakamuka sepurojekiti inozvipira, vaviri chete ndivo vaive vaviri, ava ndivo vakawanikwa, uye zvino zviuru. Basa rakaitwa nezuro nanhasi - kutaura zvazviri, isu tinozviita zuva nezuva, kunyangwe zvisingaonekwe. Asi mumazuva emugove makuru asina vanozvipira, hapana kwese. Iwe urikutaura nebhodhoro teregiramu pamwe navo, parunhare hotline. Iwo ane makushe ese masosi emashoko kuti isu tiwane mufananidzo wakakwana wezvinhu zviri kuitika, dzokorora data. Nguva nenguva, tinofunga kuti tatogadzira chikoro chakasiyana chevazvipiri, nhasi tine mirayiridzo, kudzidziswa.
- Pamwedzi wemagariro mune zvemagariro, makanga mune zvinyorwa zvakawanda kubva kune avo vasingagoni kana kuti vasingade kuenda kugwara, kuti vaizobayira mari kune vanodzivirira varapi vevanhu vanozobatsira vasungwa. Yakawanda sei iyo nhamba yevanopa uye huwandu hwemupies yakawedzera zvakanyanya?
- Ehe, huwandu hwemipiro uye huwandu hwavo hwakakwira zvakanyanya. Hatina kuverenga imwe yekupedzisira kusvika yave kamwe, asi izvi ndezvekodhi. Kuunganidza mari haisi chete mari, asi zvakare rutsigiro. Kazhinji vanotumira pazuva rekusimudzira, uyezve rakanga rapfuura, raive riri kuita zvakanyanya. Takanzwa chikumbiro cheruzhinji kune izvo zvatinoita, uye ini ndoda kutaura zvakawanda zvekutenda kune wese munhu. Tiri kutaura nezvezviuru zvevanhu, zvakanaka kwazvo! Mwedzi wega wega mushumo wedu unobuda, uye ipapo ticharatidza nhamba dzakarurama. Mipiro zhinji dzinozoenda kunobatsira matare. Munguva yechiito, takakwanisa kubatsira kwete vese - vamwe vakangodayirwa, asi isu tichaedza kubatsira mumatare eiyo yekutanga neyechipiri muenzaniso, vaunza zvinhu kuECHR. Inhau refu.
- Ndiudze kuti kushamwaridzana kwakarongwa sei? Ko kana mumwe munhu akasungwa, uye akange asina nguva yekuzivisa nezvazvo, semuenzaniso, akafadza foni, iwe unodzidza sei nezve zviitiko zvakadaro?
"Kuti isu tigogona kubatsira kuti gweta rinotenderwa muATES, anofanirwa kuziva zita uye zuva rekuzvarwa uye zvirinani foni. Kana munhu akasungwa, uye foni yake yakagara pasi kana yakasarudzwa - pane njodzi yekuti arege kuziva, asi, iwe unoziva, iyo auto sho nzvimbo yekubatana kwevanhu. Nguva dzose angangoita mumwe munhu nefoni anosara, uye angangoita mumwe munhu kubva mumotokari nguva yekumafuta kuti anyore nezvake, uye nezvevavakidzani.
- Kubva kuBot nefoni yauri kugadzirira, chii chinhanho chinotevera? Unoita sei nemamwe masangano?
- Kana tikangogadzirisa ruzivo nezve kuvharirwa, isu sekunge kuisa beacon uye kutevera munhu kuti auye kuATS. Kubva panguva yekuvharirwa kunogona kupfuura kwemaawa akati wandei. Kuenda kwegweta kunoratidza chete kana chaiko kuiswa muTs. Izvi zvakakosha nekuti kazhinji vanounza kune imwe ets, vanochengetwa ipapo, ivo vanofunga nezve chimwe chinhu, uye vozoenda kune imwe ats.
Ipapo tinofunga kuti tine sarudzo. Kana isu tine gweta, tiri kuenda. Kana zvisiri, kurongeka nevamwe. Dzimwe hatizombotsungirira. Isu hatina gweta riri mudunhu, isu tinongobata zvese. Kuwanda kunoenderana nebasa, kubva pabasa rako pachako. Dziva rinoverengerwa zana rakasiyana. Nezuro kwaive nemagweta anenge makumi mana. Nenzira, gweta harisi kungotsigirwa zviri pamutemo, asiwo zvepfungwa. Kana kusungwa kunonzwisiswa kuti munhu akamanikana ave pedyo, zviri nyore kwaari.
Ichokwadi kugovera masimba - nguva dzose dambudziko, isu tine makumi matatu ezvidzidzo. Asi nguva dzese dzatinoita kamuri yekufamba munzira yekugadzira. Iko hakuna chete bot kune vaverengi chete, asiwo bots dzemukati. Asi mutoro unokura uye unokura uye unokura.
- OVD-info pane imwe nguva yakataura kuti ma desinees atove mazana matatu nemazana mashanu, ndokuzodzoserwa anenge chiuru. Zvakaitika sei? Ingori nhamba yacho yakanga isingakanganisi kana yaive pasina data?
- Yaive nyaya chete nezve kuongororwa uye kusimbiswa kwedata. Isu taiziva nezvevanhu ava, asi vakakwanisa kutarisa chete 2500 uye netsaona vakaburitsa chidimbu chiumbwa chisina kunyatsoongororwa. Isu hapana mumwe, nerombo rakanaka, haana kunyengedza, asi zvakadaro ruzivo runofanira kuongororwa. Semhedzisiro, ona - takasvika kune imwe nhamba.
- Mune mamwe mazwi, chaizvo kuti iyi ndiyo nhamba yaunopa, ndeyekupedzisira here?
- Isu tinopa iyo nhamba iyo isu tine chokwadi, fungidziro ini handidi kuita. Kana ruzivo rwese rwakagadziriswa, nhamba iripo inokura nemazana emazana. Ini handifunge kuti kurongeka kwehukuru, zvirokwazvo kwete kagumi. Tinogona kutaura nezvemazana evanhu. Ini ndichapa muenzaniso. Kazhinji, vanhu makumi maviri vanogara mu auto mafuta, 15 vavo vachanyorera ivo pachavo uye nemunhu wese ari pussy. Mugovera, takanyorwa kubva kuMakhachkala - pakanga paine vanhu vangangosvika makumi matanhatu vakagara ipapo, uye vatatu chete kana vana vakaunganidzwa. Pakutanga, hapana munhu angadaidza. Asi iye zvino mamiriro ezvinhu aya anoratidza kuti panogona kunge paine kuvharirwa - vaitotya kuburitsa mazita avo.
- Nenzira, ruzivo rwunobva mumatunhu zvinowanzoitwa sei? Kune zvakawanda "ATS info" ipapo?
- Pakutanga, migove yese yeRussia yaive yatove kare, semuenzaniso, mushure mefirimu "Haasi Dimon". Ipapo taiziva zvishoma - hazvizivikanwe, pamwe kumwe kwavasina kunonoka, uye pamwe hatisi kutaurwa. Kusimudzirwa kwese kunodzidziswa nezvedu zvimwe. Isu tinokura zvakare - muna 2020 takapa rubatsiro rwepamutemo mumaguta 15-20. Isu takanga tave kuita zvemazana nemazana emakesi muKhabarovsk, vaitsvaga magweta ipapo, kunyangwe pasina magweta mumatunhu. Ndinovimba muna 2021 isu tichakwanisa kubatsira vanhu vazhinji.
"Kodzero dzeKanikokodzero dzeVanhu", Gweta Anastasia Burakova- Ndeipi basa re "kodzero dzevagari revanhu"?
- Kutanga kwezvose, isu tiri kugovera memo nenhamba dzefoni kwese kupi. Basa rekutanga riri kure - kubvunzana kwevasungwa, kufona kubva kuRussia yose Russia. Bvunza zvekuita zvekunyora kuti kwete kunyora mune protocol. Isu tinoshanda pamwe nemumwe waunoshanda naye Mugovera wakatora anenge mazana maviri mafoni. Uyezve isu tine bot, tinobvuma ruzivo uye vanhu vanopindura. Ipapo tinounganidza ruzivo nezvezvevasungwa, tinokumbira kunyorazve munhu wese wepfuti, anoenda navo. Kuronga pamwe nezvimwe zvirongwa zvibodzwa zvevanhu kuti uve nemufananidzo wakajairika, uyo anoda kubatsira vanozvipira muchirongwa chechikafu, mvura. Uye, chokwadika, izvi zviri kuenda kumadhipatimendi. Mukati Mugovera, kukwidziridzwa kwacho kwakave nekutyorwa kwakawanda: Vanhu vakarongedza zvinyorwa izvo zvavasingakwanise kubata maawa anopfuura matatu, uye vakachengeta 8-9. Takatarisa vanhu vakazoburitswa. Rubatsiro rwakabatsira pane zvinoshamisa mamiriro ezvinhu: Ivo havapi zvinodhaka kune avo vanodiwa nekukurumidza, vandiriru semuenzaniso. Tevere - rubatsiro mumatare. Vhiki rino richava kushingaira: zviremera zvichaedza kufunga nezvekutonga zviitiko zviri nani. Nzira yekutonga, ini ndinofungidzira, haizokwanise kuita muvhiki.
- Zvakawanda sei magweta anoshanda pamwe newe? Chete muMoscow kana mumatunhuwo?
- Isu tine magweta atinokwezva kana zvichidikanwa mune yakakura huwandu. MuMoscow naSt. Petersburg, inenge gumi muguta rimwe nerimwe. Mune mamwe maguta, vanokwezva zvakanyanya kusvika makumi maviri more. Nguva dzose pamberi pemagedhi ari kutsvaga mumwe munhu mutsva. Basa remagweta ratinobhadhara.
- Kurambidza kudanana sei nevamwe masangano ekodzero dzevanhu? Iwe unofunga sei kuti ndiani uye anozoenda kupi?
- MunaPeter isu tine chat chaiwo, tafura yakajairika pane yakasungwa, yatinotungamira patinoziva chinyorwa, chimiro, akasiya magweta, zvinoshanda online. Zvakare pamatare edzimhosva kuti varege kudzokorora mumwe nemumwe. MuSt. Petersburg, panguva yese ine hushamwari hwedzero dzevanhu kodzero dzevanhu. Isu tinogara tichishanda chaizvo. MuMoscow, zvakare, tarisa, tarisa nzira dzeverevhi kuti urege kudzokororwa. Uye isu tinoedza kuzviisa pasi kuti ndiani uye kupi kubva kwedu.
- Vangani kukwezva kwaive nemugovera? Zuva retsiva rakakurira sei iwe? Wakakurira nebasa here, pakanga paine chiyero kwauri chinoshamisa, pane zviwanikwa zvakakwana?
- Zvakaoma kutaura kuti, zvakaoma kwazvo kuverenga muhuwandu hwakazara. Ehe, ini ndaigara ndichida, chokwadika, kuita magweta mazhinji sezvinobvira kuterera kune mumwe nemumwe. Yakanga iri chikamu chakakura kwazvo chemakore apfuura. Asi kazhinji ivo vakareverera. Pakanga pasina chinhu chakadai kuti munhu anonyora munhu - ndinogara kwemaawa masere pane matatu, asi isu hatina munhu wekutumira.
- pamberi pechiito uye shure kwazviri, rutsigiro rwemari kubva kuzvitsigiro zvakawedzera here? Here? Iwe une izvi zviwanikwa here?
- Ehe, pane Evha uye panguva yekusimudzira, takatsigirwa chaizvo, nemugovera takafukidza basa revagwera vese magweta. Uye kunyange zvishoma zvemagweta uye kumatare achakwanisa kufukidza basa racho. Kazhinji fundraise chikamu chakakosha chatinoshanda. Iye zvino ndinogona kutaura kuti zvipupiro zvaive zvinopfuura zvakajairwa. Tichienzanisa nemazhinji anogovera 2017-2018. Tsigiro yakawedzera 1.5-2 times. Saka zvichiri kuoma kufungidzira kuti zvakadii. Ipo bhizinesi raive rakati ratibatsira kwazvo, nekuti takaita kuti tiratidze mhosva dzematsotsi zvakanyanya, zvichiteerana, vatori venhau vakanyora nezvedu, vanhu vaiziva zvakawanda.
"Kukumbira ruregerero", Gweta uye mukuru wokumusoro Alexander Ponoruk- Tiudze nezve yako bhizinesi pfupi. Ko basa rako rinorara here kuti uende ku ats? Kana kuti pane chero zano here, chimwe chinhu?
- Chikwata che "kuratidzira kukumbira ruregerero" kune vanhu vatanhatu uye network yemagweta munyika, iyo inowirirana nesu. Kubatsira kwepamutemo kwakasiyana. Kubva pakutaurirana, zvivakwa zveDhipatimendi, dziviriro mumatare eRussia uye yeEuropean Court of Human Rights. Mukuwedzera, kubatsirwa kugamuchira uye vanobatwa nemhirizhonga panguva yekuratidzira. Izvo zvakare zvinorega kuramba kuronga zviito zvemuno zviito uye muripo wekukuvara kusiri-pecuniary kukuvara kwekupomerwa zvisiri pamutemo kune mhosva yevarapi vevatengesi. Kudzivirirwa kwemhosva zvakare kuri kuitika. Isu tinopa rubatsiro rwepamutemo mumuenzaniso wemukati mezvirevo zvine chekuita nerunyararo. Ehezve, muPeak Downloads, prossion prever ichipfuura, zvakaoma kushanda, asi isu tinoedza kubatsira munhu wese akatikwidza.
- Zuva rekuita kwako sei iwe, chiyero hachina kuwana kushamisika?
- Kumushandirapamwe wekuratidzira musi waJanuary 23, takanga tichigadzirira pachine nguva: Takataura nemitemo mumatunhu nemisoro. Nhengo zhinji dzechikwata dzakashanda pakugamuchira kwekutaurirana muakaunzi yakatsaurwa muTelegraph Reyeti. Vasungwa vanonyorera kune iyi nhoroondo kana vachida kubatsirwa. Vashandi vedu vanonyora izvi kukwirira, kuraira vabati, uye vobva vajaira magweta uye vaendese kune vatori vechikamu vevatori vepuranga. Isu tinogashirawo mameseji nezvechisimba neanosangana nevaratidziri. Varoorerwe zvedu vakatora basa rakati wandei, iva nechokwadi chekutendeukira kuDare reComputer Gomedhi - Mhirizhonga kurwisa varatidziri vane rugare hakugamuchirwi mune imwe nyika - tinodzokorora mazwi aya kamwechete.
- Zvakawanda sei magweta anoshanda pamwe newe? Chete muMoscow kana mumatunhuwo?
- Ndira 23, zvirokwazvo, raive zuva rakaoma, nekuti tinoshanda muRussia yose. Asi kuziva kuti isu tinogona kubatsira mumwe munhu, tinomisikidza kuti tishande mberi uye tinopa simba. Wese munhu anofanirwa nekodzero yekutora rally rine rugare, uye isu tiri kurwira kodzero iyi uye isu ticharamba tichirwa, tichirwira mumatare ezviitiko zvakasiyana.
Pazuva rekuita kwechiito mukutsigira kweAlexei Naveny 67 Attorneys "ruregerero rwekuratidzira" vakashanda mumaguta 28 kubva kuVladivostok kusvika St. Petersburg. Magweta edu akabuda mumadhipatimendi masere emapurisa uye akapa rubatsiro rwepamutemo kune 1013 detainees. Mukuwedzera, magweta "okukumbira ruregerero" akakwanisa kushanyira vairatidziri 22, kazhinji vashandi vevashandi veNavy vakakwanisa kutongerwa mhosva yekutora chikamu.
- Unodzidza sei nezve desinees kunaani uye chii chaunoda kubatsirwa? Kurambidza kusanzwisisana kudanana nemasangano ane kodzero here? Iwe unofunga sei kuti ndiani uye anozoenda kupi?
- Kutenda kune hukama hwakanaka nevatinoshanda navo kubva kuOVD-info, isu tinokurumidza kugadzirisa nyaya nevasungwa, basa rinonyatsobudirira, uye madeya anowana rubatsiro kusvika pakubata.
- pamberi pechiito uye shure kwaro, akatsigira rutsigiro kubva kune vatsigiri? Akakura nehuwandu hwevanopa? Here?
- Isu takatangira vanhu vacho munguva pfupi yapfuura, mazuva mashoma mashoma asati asvika. Kwatiri, ichi chiratidzo, kusvika zvino zvakaoma kutaura nezvemhedzisiro uye hapana chekuenzaniswa. Asi vazhinji vakapindura kufadza kwedu. Kwevhiki isu takagamuchira zvinopfuura 1,500 kubhadhara. Isu tinotenda kune wese munhu anotibayira isu, uye avo vanonyorera kumipiro yemwedzi.