Minisitiri w'ububanyi n'amahanga wa Arumeniya Ara Ayvazyan yabwiye ikiganiro
Ku iterambere ry'imibanire y'Uburusiya-Arumeniya, umwanya wa Yerevani ukurikije uko Karabakh ukomoka, kimwe niba Arumeniya yiteguye gushyikirana na Azaribayijan.
Nkuko ikigo kivugwa nacyo, ikiganiro na Minisitiri cyasabwe muri Mutarama, kugeza ku makimbirane yamenetse muri Arumeniya. Ibisubizo kubibazo Ria Novosti yageze kuwa gatanu.
- Nigute Yerevan abona imiterere ya Karabakh mugihe kizaza, kandi murwego rwimiterere yumurongo igomba kugenwa: Uburusiya-Arumeniya-Arumeniya-Arumeniya-Arumeniya-Arumeniya-Arumeriya-Arumerubayijan cyangwa Uruhare rwintebe Ese Yerevan asuzuma uburyo bwo kumenya Karabakh kuko leta yigenga iri mu mbibi zatangajwe n'amasezerano yo ku ya 9 Ugushyingo?
- Ingingo yo ku ya 9 Ugushyingo ni uguhagarika umuriro n'imirwano byose muri zone ya Nagorno-Karabakh amakimbirane abungabunga amahoro mu mahoro ya Artsakh. Aya magambo aragaragaza cyane uko byagenda ko kurekwa no gusobanukirwa ko ikibazo cya nyuma cya politiki cyo gukemura amakimbirane ya Nagorno-Karabakh ntibyemewe. Dukomeje kuba mu kuba mu mishyikirano birashobora kuba igisubizo kizirikana uburenganzira bwa bose kandi kizana amahoro n'umutekano kuri caucase y'Amajyepfo. Kandi ishingiro ryibintu nkibi bigomba kubanza kubaho murwego rwa Artakh.
Intangiriro ya Nagorno-Karabakh amakimbirane nikibazo cyamategeko yabaturage ba Artbakh kugirango biyemeze. Ubu burenganzira ntibushobora guhagarikwa cyangwa gukonjeshwa ku ngufu. Arumeniya yakoze kandi izakomeza gukora ahereye ku rwego rwo kumenya uburenganzira bw'abaturage ba Artcakh kugira ngo bifatanye n'umutekano. Ntabwo ari uko ibintu bimeze kandi mubihe byose ntibishobora kuba munsi ya Azaribayijan. Igitero cyanyuma cyongeye kwemeza ko Arsakh mugihe cya Azaribayijan yashakaga kuvuga Arsakh adafite Abanyarumeniya.
Twese twibuka kweza amoko, twateguwe mu mpera z'imyaka ya za 1980 na mu myaka ya za 90 mu myaka ya za 90 mu myaka ya za 90 mu mijyi mikuru ya Azaribayijan, utari ufitanye isano na nagorno-karabakh. 27 Gashyantare irazihiza isabukuru ya 33 Ibikorwa bibabaje bya Madagasige bw'abaturage ba Arumeniya bo mu mujyi wa Suzerit, bakoze uruhare rw'abayobozi ba Azeribayijan.
Ibyabaye muri Surugame na Pogroms yakurikiyeho i Baku, ifitwe munsi y'ibyatsi "icyubahiro cy'icyubahiro cya Sulogait", ndetse n'ibyaha by'intambara ndetse n'ubugizi bwa nabi bwakorerwaga n'intambara ya 44 z'intambara ya Aruzerubayija muri Arsakh, cyane cyane, Mu karere ka Gadrurt, ni icyemezo cyemeza ko gukurikiza uburenganzira bwo kwishyira ukizana bushobora kwemeza ubuzima n'umutekano w'abaturage bo mu gihugu cya Arumeniya mu gihugu cyacyo cy'amateka.
Ku bijyanye n'imiterere yo gukemura, twavuze inshuro nyinshi ko umuyobozi w'ifatanije na OSCE Mink ariryo shingiro rifite inshingano mpuzamahanga, aho icyemezo cya nyuma cya politiki cy'amakimbirane cyageze. Ni muri urwo rwego, umwanya wacu udahindutse - ibibazo by'ingenzi byo gutura mu mahoro muri iki gihe ntibikemurwa. Ibi bihurira neza rwose hamwe nigitekerezo cya OSCE Minsk Itsinda Intebe, yagaragajwe neza nayo mumatangazo yo ku ya 3 Ukuboza 2020.
Igitero na ArtStakh, gukoresha imbaraga nkuburyo bwo gukemura amakimbirane ari ugukemura umuryango wisi yose, ndetse no gusenya ingufu zisi, ndetse no kuntegeka imbaraga zo hagati nubuyobozi buhoraho bw'akanama gashinzwe umutekano ku isi. Twizere tubikuye ku mutima ko kunterahamwe mu bikorwa bizemeza ko manda yabo kandi bikayobora neza inzira y'amahoro.
Ku bijyanye no kumenya Artbakh nk'igihugu cyigenga na Arumeniya, Icyerekane kigumye mu nzira yo gushyingiranwa. Muri iki gihe, gahunda yacu ifite agaciro ko kuvugurura inzira yo gutura mu mahoro, nkibisubizo byabyo bizashoboka gutanga gusohoka kumutekano wigihe kirekire no gushikama mukarere kacu.
- Ese inama yawe hamwe numuyobozi wa minisiteri yububanyi n'amahanga ya Azaribayijan? Ese imishyikirano ku gutegura iteraniro ry'abayobozi b'ibihugu byombi?
- Ntabwo twigera ducika intege. Ariko, inama iyo ari yo yose, niba idateguwe gusa yo kuyishyiraho, igomba kubahiriza ibipimo bimwe. Mbere ya byose, tuvuga kubyerekeye kurema ikirere gikwiye, kubyerekeye imiterere ya gahunda yihariye, kandi, ni ngombwa, igomba gukorwa imbere yinjiza kuva kurundi ruhande.
- Ibyo Imirimo ikorwa n'ingabo z'amahoro z'Uburusiya, Komite mpuzamahanga ya Croix-Rouge n'abayobozi ba Azaribayijan bashakisha imirambo yabuze kandi yimura imirambo y'abapfuye? Iyo, ukurikije ibibanza byawe, inzira yo gusangira imfungwa z'intambara irashobora kurangira, hari amakuru nyayo ku mubare w'imfungwa ziva impande ebyiri?
- Kugurana imfungwa z'intambara, ingwate n'abandi banyegurika biteganijwe mu butumwa bugufi bwo ku ya 9 Ugushyingo 2020. Muri iki cyerekezo kurwego rwigihugu, hahujwe nakazi ko gukurikiranwa bikorwa. Arumeniya yashohoje inshingano zayo zo kwimura imfungwa zerekeye ihame rya "bose kuri bose". Mu buryo butandukanye, muri Azaribayijan bashiraho inzitizi za mu kanwa kandi zidafite ishingiro kugaruka byihuse ku mfungwa z'Abanyarumeniya kandi bafata abaturage.
Uruhande rwa Azaribayijan rwakoresha urutonde rwimfungwa za Arumeniya bakanga kumenya ukuri gukomeye mu bunyage n'abasivili b'Abanyarumeniya. Byongeye kandi, Official Baku kurwanya imfungwa zimwe na zimwe z'intambara z'intambara mu manza nshinja ibihimbano.
Imyitwarire nk'iyo ya Azaribayijan ntabwo ivuguruza gusa amahame y'amategeko mpuzamahanga y'ikiremwamuntu, ahubwo arenga ku gutanga ibisobanuro bitatu, bityo ashyira mu bikorwa ibyo hashyirwa mu bikorwa muri rusange.
Imbonerahamwe yihuse kandi itekanye mu mfungwa zose z'intambara ni iyambere. Muri iki kibazo, twishimiye imbaraga za federasiyo y'Uburusiya nk'umuhuza w'inshingano kandi utaboherereye mu bikorwa byumvikanyweho byuzuye amasezerano y'intambara.
Kubera imbaraga zifatika, birashoboka ko byasubiye mu gihugu cy'imfungwa za Arumeniya. Byongeye kandi, gutinda gufata icyemezo cyiki kibazo cyubutabazi, ntabwo ari ugutera ubwoba ububabare bwa societe ya Arumeniya, ahubwo byerekana guhamagara mu buryo butaziguye, ahubwo byerekana guhamagara mu buryo butaziguye, ahubwo byerekana guhamagara mu buryo butaziguye, ahubwo byerekana guhamagara mu buryo butaziguye nk'uko federasiyo y'Uburusiya, nk'umuryango w'uburusiya, nk'umuryango mpuzamahanga ushyirwaho ngo wo ku ya 9 Ugushyingo ndetse n'umuryango mpuzamahanga byose.
- Arumeniya ifitanye isano gute no kuba igisirikare cya Turukiya kiboneka mukigo gishinzwe kugenzura hamwe? Ikibazo cyo kwishora ahagaragara uruhande rwa Arumeniya cyaganiriweho mu murimo w'iki kigo?
- Uruhare rubi rwa Ankara mu makimbirane ya Nagorno-Karabakh, cyane cyane mu bitero byanyuma biragaragara. Ibi byose, bivuga kwimurwa no kugira uruhare rugaragara ku baterabwoba ndetse n'abarwanyi bo mu turere twa Arukiya yo mu Burato bwo hagati bagenzurwa na Turukiya. Muri gahunda eshatu ziri ku muriro-umuriro ubanziriza imvugo yo ku ya 9 Ugushyingo.
Turateganya cyane ingaruka mpuzamahanga z'umuryango mpuzamahanga kugirango tugere kuri Turukiya ivugurura imyumvire yayo yubugingo kuri Arumeniya n'abanyarumeniya.
- Ese uruhare rugaragara muri Turukiya mubikorwa byo gushyingiranwa kuri Karabakh kuri Yerevan?
- Ababuranyi mu makimbirane n'abahuza mpuzamahanga barashobora kwitabira inzira y'ibishyikirwa - intebe z'intebe za OSCE Mink. Turukiya, nta kabuza yateye inkunga ibikorwa by'Iterabwoba mu Burasirazuba bwo Hagati muri Artakh, kandi bika no mu basirikare babo bahanganye n'abapasiyo barwanyaga abasivili ba Artcakh, bamaze kwerekana ukuri ku buryo bwo kugira uruhare gusa atari urugero rwabo mu makimbirane, ariko kandi rwari kure cyane inzira y'ibiganiro.
- Minisitiri w'intebe wa Arumeniya Nikol Pashinyan yavuze ko mu nyandiko ihuriweho na 9 Ugushyingo hari "amatungo akubiyemo ibibazo bitesha umutwe", kandi abaryamanaho kandi "hari umurimo w'abadipolomate uzengurutse." Ibi bivuze ko Yerevan arateganya kongera gusuzuma ingingo zimwe na zimwe z'amatangazo yo ku ya 9 Ugushyingo? Birashoboka guhuza ibibazo biteye ibibazo, harimo no guhana imfungwa?
- Arumeniya yubahirije ihame ryo gusohoza ababuranyi ibiteganywa n'amategeko yo ku ya 9 Ugushyingo 2020. Kugira ngo baganire ku bibazo bijyanye no gushyira mu bikorwa ingingo zisaba, ku rwego rw'igihugu, komisiyo ishinzwe ihagarikwa. Ibibazo bivuka mubyiciro bimwe byaganiriweho muburyo bwo gukora. Turashaka gukomeza kubahiriza ubu buryo mugushyira mubikorwa ibitekerezo bitatu.
Ariko, kubera ibibazo byinshi, twitegereza kwanga uruhande rwa Azaribayijan kugira ngo dusohoze gahunda, habaho gusobanura ibiteganywa n'inyitonzi, harimo n'ibijyanye no gushyira mu bikorwa imfungwa z'intambara n'abandi bantu bamenyekanye.
- Yerevan yatangaje kenshi ko hariho abacanshuro z'amahanga mu karere bashinzwe amakimbirane, barwana mu ngabo za Azaribayijan. Ikibazo kiba ngombwa nyuma yo kurangiza imirwano? Irashobora kwerekana ibimenyetso byerekana ko muri Karabakh Mercenane yo muri Siriya, kandi niba iterabwoba ribungabundwa akarere bijyanye nibi?
- Kugira ngo twinjire mu mirwano ya Alsakh, Azaribayijan na Turukiya bimuriwe mu barwanyi b'abanyamahanga bashinzwe amakimbirane. Iki kintu cyemejwe n'abafatanyabikorwa mpuzamahanga ndetse n'abafatanyabikorwa mu bihugu byo muri OSCE Minsk kuri urwego rwo hejuru.
Abarwanyi b'abanyamahanga batanze ibyo bafungiye ku butaka bwa Artsakh. Imanza z'inshinjabyaha zimuriwe mu bihe by'ubucamanza.
Ukuri kubaho kuruhande rwabarwanyi ba Azeribayijani nanone basanga nkimiryango mpuzamahanga yemewe. Mu itangazo ry'amatsinda y'umuryango w'abibumbye ishinzwe gukoresha abahuzamizi ku ya 11 Ugushyingo, 2020, havuga ko abacalcenari boherejwe mu karere bifitanye isano n'imitwe y'iterabwoba yitwaje intwaro mu gukora ibyaha by'intambara ndetse no kurenga ku burenganzira bwa muntu mu gihe cy'amakimbirane ya Siriya. Iri tangazo risobanura neza uruhare rwa Turukiya mu iyimurwa ry'abatumirwa ry'amahanga.
Abacanshuro bose b'abanyamahanga, batsinzwe na Turukiya na Azaribayijan, mu karere ka nagorno-karabakh bahise bakomoka kandi bakomoka mu karere. Icyemezo cy'ubuyobozi bwa Azaribayijan mu guhindura igihugu cye muri Satelite ya Turukiya no kwibanda ku iterabwoba ni ingaruka zikomeye kubwo karere gusa, ahubwo no mu mutekano mpuzamahanga.
- Ni uruhe rwego umubano wa Arumeniya - Uburusiya ubu? Urabona ko ari ngombwa gushimangira amasano y'ibihugu?
- Imiterere ihuza umubano wa Arumeniya-Ikirusiya yamaze gukurikizwa no guhora imirimo ihoraho, ikomeza ukurikije uko ihuza no guhuza n'imihindagurikire y'ikirere, kubera igihe n'iterambere, ibyo dufite mu rwego rwakarere ndetse n'isi. Turashaka gukora iki gikorwa murufunguzo rwahujwe, dushingiye ku gukenera kwemeza imizi yabaturage b'ibihugu byacu. Mubisanzwe, ubucuti bw'abaturage bo mu bihugu byacu bwamye ari ishingiro ryakazi.
Biragaragara ko iterambere rijyanye no mu mibanire yo muri Arumeniya n'Abarusiya ritagira ingaruka ku muntu gusa gusa wafashwe n'umunyamuryango, ahubwo no mu bindi bice bigize uruhare runini muri gahunda y'ubufatanye bwacu.
Dufite umugambi wo gukora iki gikorwa murwego rwo uburyo bwacu bwo kuganira burahari. Turimo kandi tuvuga komisiyo ishinzwe ubufatanye mu bukungu, kandi ibiganiro by'inteko ishinga amategeko mu rwego rwa Komisiyo nini na komite z'umwirondoro, na no mu mikorere ya gisirikare no mu yandi mahanga. Mubisanzwe, ibyo byose bizagenda bitera imbere bihuza uruhare runini mumashami ya politiki yububanyi n'amahanga y'ibihugu byacu.
Ndashaka gushimangira akamaro k'ibiganiro bikabije, ibyo dukora kandi tugashaka kwiyongera kurwego rwa serivisi za diplomasi wa Arumeniya no mu Burusiya.