Anthu masauzande angapo anatuluka pa zionetsero Loweruka lino Loweruka ku Russia - oposa 3,500 mndende, zomwe zidayambitsa milandu 15, pafupifupi zosankha 100 zidatulutsidwa kale. Mabungwe omenyera ufulu anthu amathandizira anthu onsewa - amalangizidwa ndi kumangidwa, kubweretsa dipatimenti ya zochitika za mkati ndi madzi, kukwaniritsa kumasulidwa, kutsatana m'makhothi, kumayenderana m'makhothi. Ambiri mwa iwo omwe sanafike pamawu ogawana chifukwa cha zomwe amachita, yesetsani kuti mabungwewa achita zachuma. Ma VTIm amayang'ana kumbuyo kwa zojambulajambula-chidziwitso, "kutsutsa" ndi "ufulu wa anthu" ndikuwonetsa momwe kulimbana kwa ufulu wachiwembu kumadutsa pansi pa mabwalo.
Zambiri za OVD, wogwirizanitsa Leonad Drabkin- Monga malinga ndi zotsatira za ma rallies pa Januware 23, inunso mutha kuyamikira ntchito yanu, kodi mukupirira? Asitikali okwanira?
- Mfundo yathu yayikulu - chidziwitso chimateteza. Mbali yofunika kwambiri pa ntchito yathu pamunsi ndi Thandizo Lamuloli mwachindunji ndi kufalitsa chidziwitso. Pa Januware 23, tidatengedwa tawazidwa kwambiri, adakwanitsa kupereka zoyera milandu yonse yophwanya ufulu wa Msonkhano waukulu.
Ndili wosasangalala, nthawi zonse ndimakhala kuti pali kuwongolera, koma nditha kunena kuti gululo lidadzipereka kwathunthu ndipo tidachita chilichonse chomwe chingachitike. Tinathandizidwa ndi anthu pafupifupi 140 odzipereka. Panali zikwizikwi za mphambu zikwizikwi mu bot yathu, kunalibe mavoliyumu ngati amenewo, ndipo sitinakonzekere kwathunthu malinga ndi zinthu za anthu ndi zamaukadaulo. Ambiri omwe tidayankha ndikuchedwa kwambiri, nthawi zina amayesedwa ndi maola, mwatsoka. Maulendo ena adapita, koma kenako adayesa kuyitanira. Tikukhulupirira kuti anthu adzatimvetsetsa - zinali zovuta zomwe sizinachitikepo. Masana, tinawerengera makhadi 30000 (tsopano 3695. - VTIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIMIL), ndipo manambala amawonjezeka. Tidali ndi kuwerengera komanso kutsimikizira kwa deta, kumveketsa kwawo.
Pankhani ya maulendo as, tinkapanganso zochuluka, koma zidakhala zotsika kuposa gawo lofunikira. Kumangidwa kunali m'mizinda 125, iyi ndi nambala yojambulira. Sikuti tonsefe tinali oyimira milandu, oteteza milandu. Ngakhale ku Moscow, ngakhale mgwirizano ndi "chigamulo chaboma" komanso anthu ena, malo otetezedwa sanasiye mass onse, chifukwa amakapereka kumalo osiyanasiyana. Koma ambiri mwa omwe adawagwiritsa ntchito adati adalangiza kuti alangize. Tsopano tiyesetsa kupereka chithandizo chonse m'makhothi. Tidzayang'ana mayizi m'magawo amenewo komwe sanatero. Tiyenera kumvetsetsa kuti andende 3,500 ndi ambiri, pafupifupi kuchuluka komweko kunamangidwa pamagawo onse mu 2019 kuzungulira Moscow City Duma.
- Munawatchula odzipereka. Ndi angati ndipo mumawaphunzitsa bwanji?
- Odzipereka ndiye gulu lalikulu loyendetsa. Zaka zisanu ndi zinayi zapitazo, a Ovd Info adadzuka ngati polojekiti yodzipereka, awiri okha a iwo anali awiri, awa ndiomwe amayambitsa athu, ndipo tsopano zapitazo. Ntchito yomwe idachitika dzulo ndi lero - m'malo mwake, timachita tsiku lililonse, ngakhale siziwoneka nthawi zonse. Koma m'masiku a magawo akulu osadzipereka, kwina kulikonse. Mukuyankhula ndi telefoni ndi iwo, pafoni ya foni. Ndiwo ubweya zonse za chidziwitso kuti tikhale ndi chithunzi chonse cha zomwe zikuchitika, onaninso zambiri. Nthawi ndi nthawi, tikuganiza ngakhale pasukulu yodzipereka, lero tili ndi malangizo, ophunzitsira.
- Kuta kwa Eva kwa maboma a pa Intaneti, panali ma positi ambiri ochokera kwa omwe sakanatha kapena safuna kupita ku Rilces, kuti adzapereka ndalama kwa omwe angathandize. Kodi kuchuluka kwa zopereka ndi kuchuluka kwa zopereka zachuluka motani?
- Inde, kuchuluka kwa zopereka ndi kuchuluka kwawo kunakwera kwambiri. Sitinawerenge chithunzi china chomaliza mpaka nthawi ina, koma izi ndi zochuluka. Kuchulukana si ndalama zokha, komanso kuthandizidwa. Nthawi zambiri amatumiza patsiku lakutsambitsira, kenako pasadakhale, chinali chofunikira kwambiri. Tidamva pempho la anthu pazomwe timachita, ndipo ndikufuna kunena zabwino zambiri kwa aliyense. Tikulankhula za anthu masauzande ambiri, ndizabwino kwambiri! Mwezi uliwonse lipoti lathu limatuluka, ndipo kumeneko tiwonetsa ziwerengero zolondola. Zopereka zambiri zimathandizira makhothi. Pakugwira ntchito, tidatha kuthandiza onse - ena amangolengeza, koma tiyesetsa kuthandiza makhothi a nthawi yachiwiri komanso yachiwiri, ibweretsani zinthu ku ECHR. Ndi nkhani yayitali.
- Ndiuzeni momwe mgwirizano umakonzedwa? Kodi mungatani ngati wina atamangidwa, ndipo analibe nthawi yoti adziwitse za izi, mwachitsanzo, anasangalala ndi foni, kodi mumaphunzira bwanji za zochitika ngati izi?
"Kuti tithandizire mwanjira ina kuti loya liloledwa kulowa nawo, ayenera kudziwa dzinalo ndi tsiku lobadwa komanso kukhala bwino foni. Ngati munthu akamangidwa, ndipo foni yake idakhala pansi kapena kusankhidwa - pali chiopsezo cha iye kuti asadziwe, koma, mukudziwa, auto shou ndi malo ogwirizana a anthu. Nthawi zonse munthu yemwe ali ndi foni amakhalabe, ndipo wina wopanda mafuta opangira mafuta nthawi yayitali kuti alembe za iye, komanso za oyandikana nawo.
- Kuchokera ku bot ndi foni yomwe mukukonzekera, gawo lotsatira ndi lotani? Kodi mumagwirizanitsa bwanji ndi mabungwe ena?
- Tikangokonza zidziwitso za mndende, ifenso tinkaika nyamayo ndikutsatira munthuyo kuti abweretse ass. Kuyambira nthawi yomangidwa kumatha kupitirira maola angapo. Kuchoka kwa loya kumamveka kokha pakakhala masts. Izi ndizofunikira chifukwa nthawi zambiri zimabweretsa masts mmodzi, amapitabe kumeneko, amaganiza za zinazake, kenako amapita ku ass.
Kenako tikuganiza kuti tili ndi zosankha. Ngati tili ndi loya, tikupita. Ngati sichoncho, cholumikizidwa ndi ena. Ena sitikadapirira. Tilibe woyazidwa mu boma, timangogwirizanitsa onse. Kuchuluka kumatengera kanthuzo, kuchokera pa ntchito. Dziwe limawerengedwa zana. Dzulo panali anthu pafupifupi 40. Mwa njira, loya sikuti kuthandizidwa ndi malamulo okha, komanso m'maganizo. Wosunga kumvetsetsa kuti munthu wopambayo ali pafupi, ndizosavuta kwa iye.
Ndizowona kugawa mphamvu - nthawi zonse vuto, tili ndi macheta. Koma nthawi zonse tikapanga chipinda chamtsogolo mu dongosolo lazokha. Palibe ntchito ya owerenga, komanso bots amkati. Koma katunduyo amakula ndikukula ndikukula.
- Zambiri za OvD nthawi inaya zinati omangidwawo ali kale 3,500, kenako adachira pafupifupi chikwi. Zinachitika bwanji? Chiwerengero chabe chinali cholakwika kapena sichinakhalepo?
- Inali nkhani chabe za kutsimikizira ndi kutsimikizira kwa deta. Timadziwa za anthu awa, koma adakwanitsa kungoyang'ana 2500 okha ndikusindikiza munthu yemwe sanayang'anitsidwe mokwanira. Ifenso palibe, mwamwayi, sananyenge, koma chidziwitsocho chiyenera kufufuzidwa. Zotsatira zake, onani - tinafika kwa otere.
- Mwa kuyankhula kwina, ndendende kuti iyi ndi nambala yomwe mumapereka, kodi imatha?
- Timapereka nambala yomwe tili otsimikiza, tawonani kuti sindikufuna kuchita. Zomwe chidziwitso chonse chakonzedwa, nambala yomwe ilipo idzakula pafupi ndi mazana angapo. Sindikuganiza kuti dongosolo la ukulu, osati nthawi 10. Titha kuyankhula za mazana a anthu. Ndipereka chitsanzo. Nthawi zambiri, anthu 20 amakhala mu mafuta auto, 15 mwa iwo adzadzilembera okha ndi aliyense mu pussy. Loweruka, talembedwa kuchokera ku Mahachkala - panali anthu pafupifupi 60 anthu atakhala pamenepo, ndipo atatu kapena anayi okha kapena anayi adayambitsidwa. M'mbuyomu, palibe amene angayitane. Koma tsopano zinthu izi zikusonyeza kuti pakhoza kukhala kuti zidakali madera - amangowopa kufalitsa mayina awo.
- Mwa njira, kodi zigawo kuchokera kumadera nthawi zambiri zimakonzedwa bwanji? Pali zambiri "Zambiri za ATS" pamenepo?
- M'mbuyomu, zogawana zonse zaku Russia zinali kale kale filimuyo "sawamvetseka." Kenako timadziwa zochepa - sizikudziwika, mwina kwinakwake sanazengereza, ndipo mwina sitinanenedwe. Kukwezedwa kulikonse kumaphunziridwa za ife kwambiri. Timapanganso - mu 2020 tinapereka thandizo mwalamulo m'mizinda 15-20. Tinakwatirana ndi mazana angapo milandu ku Khabarovsk, anali kufunafuna milandu kumeneko, ngakhale kuti kunalibe maloya m'maiko. Ndikukhulupirira kuti mu 2021 tidzatha kuthandiza anthu ambiri.
"Zizindikiro za Anthu za Ufulu", Laya Anastasia Burakova- Kodi ntchito ya "zikwangwani zaubwenzi ndi ziti"?
- Choyamba, tikugawa memo ndi manambala a foni kulikonse. Ntchito yoyamba ndi yakutali - kukambilana ndi omangika, kuyimbira kuchokera ku Russia konse. Funsani zomwe mungachite kuti alembe izi kuti musalembe mu protocols. Timalankhulana ndi mnzanga Loweruka tinatenga mafoni pafupifupi 200. Kuphatikiza apo tili ndi bot, timavomereza chidziwitsocho ndi anthu amayankha. Kenako timatenga zidziwitso za omangidwa, tikupempha kuti alembenso aliyense mfuti, ndani amapita nawo. Gwirizanani ndi Mabungwe ena omenyera ufulu wa anthu kuti ali ndi chithunzi wamba, omwe amafunikira thandizo lodzipereka mu dongosolo la chakudya, madzi. Ndipo, zachidziwikire, uku ukupita kumadipatimenti. Loweruka, kukwezedwa kunali komweko kunali kuphwanya ambiri: Anthu atenga zolemba zomwe sangathe kulimbana ndi maola atatu, ndikusunga 8-9. Tinayang'ana anthu pamapeto. Thandizo lidathandizidwa pazinthu zakale: Samapereka mankhwala kwa iwo omwe akufunika molimbika, odwala matenda ashuga matenda. Kenako - thandizo m'makhothi. Sabata ino idzakhalapo mwachangu: Akuluakulu adzayesa kulingalira milandu yoyang'anira m'malo mwake. Aweruzo, ndikukayikira, satha kupirira sabata limodzi.
- Kodi mahema amagwirizana bwanji nanu? Ku Moscow kapena kumaderanso?
- Tili ndi maloya omwe timakopa ngati amafunikira ambiri. Ku Moscow ndi St. Petersburg, pafupifupi 10 m'mizinda yonse. M'mizinda ina, amakopa kwambiri pafupifupi 20 zina. Nthawi zonse ziwalo zisanayambe kufunafuna wina watsopano. Ntchito ya ovomerezeka timalipira.
- Kodi mgwirizano umagwirizana bwanji mgwirizano ndi mabungwe ena oyenera anthu? Kodi mungasankhe bwanji kuti ndani ndi kuti?
- Mwa Petro tili ndi macheza wamba, tebulo wamba pa wodekha, zomwe timatsogolera tikadziwa nkhaniyo, udindo, yemwe adasiya azilamulo, yemwe amagwira ntchito pa intaneti. Komanso m'makhothi osatengera wina ndi mnzake. Ku St. Petersburg, nthawi yayitali yochezeka ya anthu. Nthawi zonse timakhala tikugwira ntchito mophwele. Ku Moscow, nawonso, onani, kuwunikira njira za telegraph kuti zisasinthidwe. Ndipo timayesetsa kulembetsa omwe ndi kuchokera kwathu.
- Ndi maphwando angati Loweruka? Kodi tsiku la masheya lidakupatsirani bwanji? Kodi mudalimbana ndi ntchito, kodi mudakhalapo pamlingo wa inu wodabwitsa, kodi pali zida zokwanira?
- Ndizovuta kunena, ndizovuta kwambiri kuwerengera manambala. Zachidziwikire, nthawi zonse ndimafuna, inde, kuti ndipange maloya ambiri momwe angathere kusamala kwa aliyense. Inali gawo lalikulu kwambiri lazaka zaposachedwa. Koma ambiri adapirira. Panalibe zinthu zomwe munthu alemba - ndimakhala maola eyiti mmalo mwa zitatu, koma tiribe wotumidwa.
- Asanachitike izi, pambuyo pake, kodi thandizo la ndalama kuchokera kwa othandizira linakula? Kodi Zowoneka bwanji? Kodi muli ndi zinthu izi?
- Inde, kwa Eva ndi pokwezedwa, tidathandizidwadi, Loweruka tidakwaniritsa ntchito yamalamulo onse. Ndipo ngakhale malo ovomerezeka pang'ono ndi makhothi adzakwaniritsa ntchitoyi. Nthawi zambiri fundriise ndi gawo lofunika lomwe timagwira. Tsopano nditha kunena kuti zopereka zinali zoposa masiku onse. Poyerekeza ndi misa yogawa 2017-2018. Thandizo limachulukitsa 1.5-2 nthawi. Chifukwa chake ndizovuta kuwerengera momwe ziliri. Bizinesi ya Moscow ikadatithandiza, chifukwa tidakhala oteteza mlandu waukulu pachiwopsezo, atolankhani adalemba za ife, anthu amadziwa zambiri.
"Kupepesa kwa Chionetsero", loya ndi Woyang'anira Naye Alexander Ponoruk- Tiuzeni za bizinesi yanu mwachidule. Kodi ntchito yanu imagona poti mumapita ku masts? Kapena kodi pali upangiri uliwonse, china chake?
- Gulu la "Chiwonetsero cha" Chiwonetsero cha "Chiwonetsero" ndi anthu asanu ndi mmodzi ndi ma network a maloya mdziko, omwe amalumikizana nafe. Thandizo lalamulo ndilomwe. Kuchokera ku Macheza, maulendo atafika m'madipatimenti, chitetezo ku makhothi aku Russia komanso Khothi Loona za Ufulu wa Anthu. Kuphatikiza apo, thandizani kulandira ndi anthu omwe akhudzidwa ndi chiwawa pamavuto. Amadzifunsanso kukana kugwirizanitsa zochita za komweko ndi kubwezeredwa kwa kuwonongeka kosavomerezeka kwa mlandu wosaloledwa ku vuto la otsutsa. Chitetezo chaupandu chimakhalanso. Timapereka chithandizo chamachitidwe onse ogwirizana ndi zionetsero zamtendere. Zachidziwikire, mu nsonga zotsitsira, zomwe zingayambike, ndizovuta kugwira ntchito, koma timayesetsa kuthandiza aliyense amene adatipempha.
- Kodi ndi bwanji tsiku lokuchitirani, sikelo?
- Kwa chiwonetsero cha ku Mhapulo 23, tinali kukonzekera pasadakhale: Timalankhula ndi maloya madera ndi mitu. Mamembala ambiri amagwira ntchito yolandirira kulumikizana muakaunti yosiyana mu telegraph yotchedwa Pleariali7. Akuluakulu amalemba ku akaunti iyi ngati akufuna thandizo. Ogwira Ntchito Athu Ogwira Ntchito Zosangalatsazi, Alangizeni Akuluakulu, kenako amagwirizanitsa oyimbira ndikuwatumiza kwa omwe ali ndi ziwonetsero za ziwonetserozi. Timalandilanso mauthenga okhudza chiwawa zomwe zimakumana nazo. Malamulo athu adatenga milandu ingapo, onetsetsani kuti atembenukira ku Komiti Yofufuzayi - Ziwawa zotsutsana ndi zoyeserera zamtendere ndizosavomerezeka pagulu - timabwereza mawu awa kamodzi.
- Kodi mahema amagwirizana bwanji nanu? Ku Moscow kapena kumaderanso?
- Januware 23, ndiye, tsiku lovuta, chifukwa timagwira ntchito ku Russia. Koma kuzindikira kuti titha kuthandiza wina, timatilimbikitsa kugwira ntchito mopitirira muyeso ndipo timapereka mphamvu. Aliyense ndiye woyenera kutenga nawo ufulu wochita mwamtendere, ndipo tikulimbana nawo bwino ufuluwu ndipo tidzapitilizabe kumenya, kutsimikizira m'makhothi amilandu osiyanasiyana.
Patsikulo lokhalokha pakuthandizira Alexei Navarny 67 Octcheysys "kupepesa kwa maulendo 28 a Russia: Kuchokera ku Vladivostok ku St. Petersburg. Malamulo athu adapita m'madipatimenti a apolisi ndipo adapereka thandizo mwalamulo ku 1013. Kuphatikiza apo, ozembetsa mawu akuti "kupepesa" kunatha kuyendera mayesero 22 - anali otetezedwa ndi likulu la Navalny ndi omwe adalipo omwe adakumana nawo pamtendere.
- Kodi mumaphunzira bwanji za omwe amapitako ndipo mukufuna thandizo kwa ndani? Kodi kuphatikiza kumachitika bwanji ndi mabungwe ena ovutika kwa anthu? Kodi mungasankhe bwanji kuti ndani ndi kuti?
- Chifukwa cha ubale wabwino ndi anzathu ochokera ku Ovd-Info, timayesetsa kuthana ndi mavuto omwe ali ndi zaka zambiri, ntchito imakhala yothandiza kwambiri, ndipo omangidwa amalandila thandizo.
- Asanachitike kapena pambuyo pake, wathandizira thandizo kwa othandizira? Guw ndi kuchuluka kwa opereka? Kodi Zowoneka bwanji?
- Tidayambitsa posachedwa posachedwa, nditangotsala ndi masiku angapo okwatirana. Kwa ife, izi ndi zachilendo, ngakhale zili choncho kwenikweni chifukwa chokhudza zotsatirazi komanso chofanizira. Koma ambiri anatilabadira kukopa kwathu. Kwa sabata tinalandira ndalama zoposa 1,500. Ndife othokoza kwa aliyense amene wapereka ife ndi mmodzi, ndipo iwo amene amalembetsa zopereka pamwezi.